Yes, I men't the oil tankJef Patat wrote:err, that's oil tank
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Renault Sport Racing and McLaren Racing are pleased to announce they have agreed an engine supply partnership for the 2018, 2019 and 2020 seasons. The deal will see Renault Sport Racing supply McLaren with Formula 1 power units, while also establishing a close working relationship with McLaren’s engineers and technicians.
Yes, I men't the oil tankJef Patat wrote:err, that's oil tank
Your really concerned about about the finances of a formula 1 team owned by several Saudi Billionaires with aspirations of owning the 21st century's answer to Ferrari and who no doubt enjoying showing off to their Saudi billionaire friends at Bahrain & Abu Dhabi?FW17 wrote:Mclaren need to build more cars to spend on the F1 teamwunderkind wrote:
Zak Brown has a lot to worry about from what we are seeing at the moment. He must find a way to arrest the decline before it becomes terminal, or Tyrrell. I'd let Alonso go at the end of this season and use the money to fund the 2018-19 cars. If that don't work out, Zak, Mansour, and other co-owners may have to sell the F1 team to BMW as they have started working together on road car engines, but BMW don't seem too keen to get back into F1 or beaten by Mercedes.
If Honda move or made to move then there is going to be a huge hole in the budget.
I in particualr am not badmouthing per say, but i am becoming frustrated (and not in a way that i think they are all not smart or anything like it) due to the fact i am a fan of Mclaren and jet there are problems with some part of the engine third year in a row and literally bolting them inside the garage. I believe that Hondas engine itself is a very good engine, but there is allways atleast one component that makes it dead. Its like they have a winning horse with a broken leg ready for the run...godlameroso wrote:They'll fix the oil tank issues. Let's say the car is running at 70% full power. Once they iron out the kinks there's 30% more power on the table. They won't be too far off the others once that happens.
The people badmouthing Honda simply don't understand what it takes to build any engine, let alone one as complex as this. That an oil tank is the extent of their problems shouldn't be cause for concern. Not yet anyway, let's see how next week turns out, if the car spends more time in the garage than on track then I'll worry.
It is very simple. If you want to beat the best, you have to take (huge) risks. You not only have to build a car and PU, both have to be better than the best. Every little single piece has to be better/lighter/stronger/smaller , even the oil tank.proteus wrote:I in particualr am not badmouthing per say, but i am becoming frustrated (and not in a way that i think they are all not smart or anything like it) due to the fact i am a fan of Mclaren and jet there are problems with some part of the engine third year in a row and literally bolting them inside the garage. I believe that Hondas engine itself is a very good engine, but there is allways atleast one component that makes it dead. Its like they have a winning horse with a broken leg ready for the run...godlameroso wrote:They'll fix the oil tank issues. Let's say the car is running at 70% full power. Once they iron out the kinks there's 30% more power on the table. They won't be too far off the others once that happens.
The people badmouthing Honda simply don't understand what it takes to build any engine, let alone one as complex as this. That an oil tank is the extent of their problems shouldn't be cause for concern. Not yet anyway, let's see how next week turns out, if the car spends more time in the garage than on track then I'll worry.
Just sad and frustrated. I just hate that bad luck stickcs with Mclaren and Honda for quite some time now...
It doesn't indicate anything other than they've made a mistake and will lose crucial testing milage as a result. They'll once again be starting the season with limited testing mileage and will no doubt start another season fighting for the lower end of the points. I'm not surprised Button didn't want to race anymore, and I imagine if something doesn't change soon, Alonso won't want to either.ziggy wrote:
Such things can happen. However, this indicates that they are working on something new or different. Next week will be crucial. Till then take it easy.
Amazing picture!ollandos wrote:https://twitter.com/piusgasso/status/836637449132605440
Sadly, having the best engine will mean zip if the team building the chassis and aero cant test it. It's all a team effort. Honda cant win without McLaren and vice-versa. It takes both operating at their best and in harmony. It would inspire confidence to see them out on the track collecting mileage and changing around bits and pieces. No team this year will just luck into the fastest combo, hence why all of them are trying different things: t-wings, shark-fins etc.ziggy wrote:It is very simple. If you want to beat the best, you have to take (huge) risks. You not only have to build a car and PU, both have to be better than the best. Every little single piece has to be better/lighter/stronger/smaller , even the oil tank.
No they didn't. They didn't say "Make size zero happen anyhow. We dont care how difficult it is.". You need to read each and every translation by Marumasa on Autosport forums and somewhere in there, Hasegawa said McLaren never demanded size zero or anything.Redragon wrote:I think both parts are to blame, Mclaren as Honda. Mclaren asked for a size zero Honda delivered but couldn't make it work because of the limitation of tokes. Now have been some compromises on the size and they copy Mercedes lay out that it was the most obvious choice when they started, but they still produced really compact unit, maybe because Mclaren didn't want to compromise much with their chasis and Honda is trying to deliver a unit that work into those limitations, so problems still persist. But for sure, Honda would have benefited by providing to a second team, they should have improved the unit faster but Mclaren stop them. So now it is time to assume responsability as team, swallow the pride and start to think a bit smarter. Fix and develop the unit during this year, develop the chasis stalled last two years and supply other teams to create some competition as well as faster development.