nose cone

[MRE]

Mc Laren had run their MP4-19B with the new nose cone.It is wider and less slope than the old one.Wide nose cone might be creates more downforce and better weight distribution (aerodynamics balance) for the car.Any comment about it?

[bernard]

Yeah. One thing keeps bothering me, though.Every paper i read about the new nose says the same thing; a ferrari style nosecone...! God! Don't these people have eyes in their head. Or do they think that just because ferrari has been good in the first half of the season, every aerodynamical change that comes out is bound to be a copy of ferrari's design? Probably some news agency has put that out, and then every news paper is printing the same thing, without even seeing the car.
"Yeah, look, it's positioned in front of the car... as is the ferrari nose! Obviously a rip off!"
What pisses me of is that this has been mclaren's design line for who knows how many years and now it's suddenly ferrari's design.
(If you want a ferrari nose copy look at sauber/toyota)

[DJ TOM]

BARs looks similar to ferrari aswel.

newspapers and websitte can be so dum, its not as if they just think, well if it works for ferrari itl work for is. they spend who knows how much money on r&d, then windtunnel costs etc.

[sharkie17]

Yeah. One thing keeps bothering me, though.Every paper i read about the new nose says the same thing; a ferrari style nosecone...! God! Don't these people have eyes in their head. Or do they think that just because ferrari has been good in the first half of the season, every aerodynamical change that comes out is bound to be a copy of ferrari's design? Probably some news agency has put that out, and then every news paper is printing the same thing, without even seeing the car.
"Yeah, look, it's positioned in front of the car... as is the ferrari nose! Obviously a rip off!"
What pisses me of is that this has been mclaren's design line for who knows how many years and now it's suddenly ferrari's design.
(If you want a ferrari nose copy look at sauber/toyota)

it is true that evolution and research into aerodynamics will yield similar end product (different teams coming up with same type of aerodynamic solutions).. however, there has been several instances where Ferrari came up with a certain elements on a car and days or weeks later, it ends up on a different car...

im not saying they are copying Ferrari but if i was in competition with somone and they are using something that seems to help them have the edge.... hmm.. i probably would check it out.

[tetopelis]

but it deffinetly does not look like a ferrari nose...its design itself looks very different...ferrari's ain't as flat as this and it ferrari's nose end in more of a sharp circular fashion...the new mclaren nose look like a widened version of its anteater nose..but the front wing looks to have taken an idea from the way ferrari's wing has been design..but it will be very wrong to say they a similar..as said it may have been producing results so another team looked at it and improved on the base design to suite their's

[bernard]

Its obvious that some things have been ripped off of ferrari by other teams, but so have other teams had their own design pasted on the competitor's cars.
What i was talking about was distinctively the nose. It's like the exact opposite of the ferrari, and yet the papers are labelling Mclaren as a copycat. This is mclaren's design. ferrari has those stupid wings on the airbox. That's their design. Toyota has those grooves on the rearwing. Thats their unique design.
Stupid journalists.

[Mikacouli]

it's a nice nosecone in my oppinion. She's wider and I think it wil be giving more front stability.


But it's not only the nosecone that has changed. Also the rear end changed a little bit. Particulary the chimneys. look.
The first picture is de newest version. The second the older version.


They've became wider and bigger. Do somebody know why?

[bernard]

man, they're gigantic!
Perhaps the idea is to direct all the air away from the rearwing?
Damn photographers never know what to shoot. All they have from the Silverstone tests is just pictures of jordan in the pits, lots of them.

[Steven]

this is exactly what I had been expecting from this car, in fact I though it would be there at its introduction.
I've always stated the nose is simply too close to the front wing, which implied a loss of downforce by the front wing. That is in my opinion also why their first MP-18 waved wing failed to produce enough downforce.

The new nose is better in this aspect, but a little wide in my view. I guess it is meant to catch more air to flow over the nose, but that is just guessing

[bharath]

Just wondering. Wasn't the McLaren Silverstone test supposed to be for three days. I haven't been able to find any times for Thursday though. Was Thursday washed out or was it just a two day test.

Besides do you think the new nose will appear at Hockenheim. I mean if they tested just one day (Wednesday) with the new nose in the wet then do you think they'll risk introducing it at Hockenheim.

Any info will be appreciated. Thanks.

[Guest]

Yeah. One thing keeps bothering me, though.Every paper i read about the new nose says the same thing; a ferrari style nosecone...! God! Don't these people have eyes in their head. Or do they think that just because ferrari has been good in the first half of the season, every aerodynamical change that comes out is bound to be a copy of ferrari's design? Probably some news agency has put that out, and then every news paper is printing the same thing, without even seeing the car.
"Yeah, look, it's positioned in front of the car... as is the ferrari nose! Obviously a rip off!"
What pisses me of is that this has been mclaren's design line for who knows how many years and now it's suddenly ferrari's design.
(If you want a ferrari nose copy look at sauber/toyota)

Ferrari introduced the modern nose in the F2001 and if you look at the current BAR it's nose is quite similar (they both droop down pretty low). The F2002's nose does not droop down as much. Looking at McLaren's nose, it is not quite the same shape as they introduced in the 18 or 19 or even 17; it is pretty much closer to Ferrari's wide shape instead of pointy like McLaren's (in the 17D at least).

[Monstrobolaxa]

Well I'll have to agree with the guest the nose cone does look like the F2001's nose cone in its "droping/sloping"....and the BAR nose cone is quite close to it also...the only thing diferent (not counting the front wing supports) in the Mclaren nose cone is the squareness of the corners of the nose in Ferraris case the nose was much rounder like the BAR's nose cone.

You can compare the noses easily and the resemblence is big (except the squareness of the Mclaren nose)

[Paragon]

Don't you forget guys

McLaren - twin keel

Ferrari - single keel

What it means "look like the Ferrari"? It's in front of the car - yes, I agree

[bernard]

Oh, come on, just look at the pictures. It's nothing like the ferrari! Yes, they both are long, kind of tubes in front of the car. That is the resemblance.
Ok, Monstro, i understand if you are chained to the expression of the image in this post, but look at the post "Mclaren and williams updates" the sideview of the nose. If you still tell me it is the same nose i might be forced to curse at you.
Mclaren: wide, very flat in the front, angular, short, very steep, close to the ground.
Ferrari: Long, thin, rounded, not very steep.
Just look at the picture from the side and deside for yourself. I wont waste any more of my time trying enlighten you on this.

[bernard]

Ok, i still waste a couple of seconds more of my time
I dont think i mentioned this, but... the shape is not the same!
Ok.