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Thunders wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 09:55
Also not sure that was there before.
https://imgr4.auto-motor-und-sport.de/F ... 060567.jpg
That winglet? Sure it was...
.poz wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 11:03
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Oh yeah, that's a wing alright (extending outboard of sidepod opening)...
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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zioture wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 12:22
Update #ScuderiaFerrari

https://twitter.com/Graftechweb/status/ ... 9569770496
Nice! Great attention to detail, especially on the S-duct slots =D> =D>

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SR71 wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 10:58

Cross over S duct is interesting.

Are they (1) trying to lengthen and smooth out the air passage or (2) take air from the high pressure side in yaw and feed it to the opposite side of the car?
According to the corresponding AMuS article this is because of the nose regulations. It is not specified though what rule makes them cross the ducts....

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One of the possible explanations for S-duct crossing channels...

https://maxf1.net/en/ferrari-sf70h-s-du ... -revealed/

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Mandrake wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 12:28
SR71 wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 10:58

Cross over S duct is interesting.

Are they (1) trying to lengthen and smooth out the air passage or (2) take air from the high pressure side in yaw and feed it to the opposite side of the car?
According to the corresponding AMuS article this is because of the nose regulations. It is not specified though what rule makes them cross the ducts....
That would mean that all team have this. Are you sure it's not specific for SF70-H only? I don't recall any other team to have crossed s-ducts (but I may be wrong off course :))
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Mandrake wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 12:28
According to the corresponding AMuS article this is because of the nose regulations. It is not specified though what rule makes them cross the ducts....
As far as I remember, the "classic" S-Duct has to be placed completely in the plane splitting the nose from the chassis.

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Otherwise you are in conflict with the "single-open-section"-rule for the nose.
So IMO the crossing is for the same reason, as the vanes in the RedBull-nosehole or the design of the FI-nose-slots.

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matt21 wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 13:12
Mandrake wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 12:28
According to the corresponding AMuS article this is because of the nose regulations. It is not specified though what rule makes them cross the ducts....
As far as I remember, the "classic" S-Duct has to be placed completely in the plane splitting the nose from the chassis.

https://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/20 ... e_duct.jpg


Otherwise you are in conflict with the "single-open-section"-rule for the nose.
So IMO the crossing is for the same reason, as the vanes in the RedBull-nosehole or the design of the FI-nose-slots.
How crossing them helped it?
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matt21 wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 13:12
Mandrake wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 12:28
According to the corresponding AMuS article this is because of the nose regulations. It is not specified though what rule makes them cross the ducts....
As far as I remember, the "classic" S-Duct has to be placed completely in the plane splitting the nose from the chassis.

https://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/20 ... e_duct.jpg


Otherwise you are in conflict with the "single-open-section"-rule for the nose.
So IMO the crossing is for the same reason, as the vanes in the RedBull-nosehole or the design of the FI-nose-slots.
I am questioning same thing. Are openings on the nose even legal in the way that Ferrari does it. Should be done in the way that you posted in this picture.

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My explanation is, that you get a better airflow if the duct is not S-shaped but more "straight".
Also, it could be useful for the underside to get rid of the air at a point further ahead than the splitting plane.

I think what Ferrari did is along the lines of FI nostrils to get it legal.
Pol_S wrote:
04 Jul 2015, 18:47
I made this:
http://www.laf1.es/sites/default/files/ ... /morro.gif

And here the "interactive" flash version, if you want to stop it at any point: http://www.laf1.es/articulos/tecnica-as ... 015-912083

So yes, I think it's legal because the hole begins in the lower part when it ends in the upper part. Basically, that you can't see the tarmac from above.
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From my Point of view they get a much straighter duct with just a Little bent and twist by crossing the ducts.
If you would Twist them more to have the airflow kept on each side through the ducts (left on left, right on right), this would cause more loss of Speed in the airstream.

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New barge boards i think.

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matt21 wrote:
23 Mar 2017, 13:29
My explanation is, that you get a better airflow if the duct is not S-shaped but more "straight".
Also, it could be useful for the underside to get rid of the air at a point further ahead than the splitting plane.

I think what Ferrari did is along the lines of FI nostrils to get it legal.
Pol_S wrote:
04 Jul 2015, 18:47
I made this:
http://www.laf1.es/sites/default/files/ ... /morro.gif

And here the "interactive" flash version, if you want to stop it at any point: http://www.laf1.es/articulos/tecnica-as ... 015-912083

So yes, I think it's legal because the hole begins in the lower part when it ends in the upper part. Basically, that you can't see the tarmac from above.
Yes, it is an advantage, but is it legal.

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They are the same except they are now part black so it looks like they are shorter.