2017 Malaysia Grand Prix - Sepang, 29 September-01 October

[Juzh]

Shame for Scuderia, because of the bad luck . Mercedes will play safe game to the end of season I think.
Comments from Max and Red Bull are disgraceful. They won and still are disrespectful for PU they have.
I hope, Mclaren and Renault will shut them mouth next year.

The fact they won had nothing to do with renault pu. It's factually worse than the opposition. Just look where all the other renault powered cars fisnished.

[siskue2005]

One could say Vettel should have been a bit more careful when driving by other cars at high speed.

No, one couldn't. Stroll was going piss slow, and the speeds were not "high" at all. Stroll should have checked his mirrors when deciding to just veer across the track, it's not vettel's job to do it for him. He was giving him plenty of space.

You know that it was post race in lap and they have to drive at certain slow speed and are entitled pick up marbles and drive slowly. Vettel was driving fast than other cars around him

[siskue2005]

Shame for Scuderia, because of the bad luck . Mercedes will play safe game to the end of season I think.
Comments from Max and Red Bull are disgraceful. They won and still are disrespectful for PU they have.
I hope, Mclaren and Renault will shut them mouth next year.

The fact they won had nothing to do with renault pu. It's factually worse than the opposition. Just look where all the other renault powered cars fisnished.

With that logic look where other merc engine cars finished as they must be slower than the Ferrari engines. So Ferrari engine better than every other engines

[turbof1]

Not in relative terms, no, note the relative distance to the left edge of the track. Yes, there is distortion due to camera lens, though not enough to add a full car's width all of a sudden. On the other hand, Seb's car takes a constant radius relative to the corner. Definitely Seb's fault for being in vicinity of dangerous drivers...

So then tell me how does he do pick up on that constant radius relative to the corner bearing in mind that the marbles over on the right?

You know seeing as Vet stated that he was doing that.

You guys are all ignoring the interviews.

1. Stroll was in the process of picking up rubber

2. Stroll was looking in his left side-mirror and attempting to let Grosjean through (the car whos onbord footage is being used to show what happened)

3. The logical conclusion is Stroll did not see Vettel who was driving much quicker coming by at the right and clipped him in the process.

Just unfortunate set of circumstances. One could say Vettel should have been a bit more careful when driving by other cars at high speed. One could also say that Stroll should (could?) have seen him if he checked both mirrors. Fact is, it just happened too fast as many things came together at the same time.

Without trying to argue who is more at fault than the other, I really felt both could have done a much better job avoiding it. Unfortunate? I rather say both deserved a penalty for being completely oblivious. Who in the hell creates an accident on the cool down lap? If Vettel looses his title because a gearbox change penalty forced by this penalty, he will have to look at himself. Again, I'm not getting into a discussion where one has more blame than the other, but Vettel ultimately has much more to loose. Apparently a lesson he still has not learned after Singapore. Stroll has nothing to loose on this even if he too has damage. He'll just shrug it off, knowing there is nothing significant anymore to fight for this season, which again does not mean he should take a nap on the inlap.

If someone told me this was a driverless car test done by google, I would have believed it.

[marvin78]

But no one did anything that we don't see after every single race and from every single driver. I alway wondered that this could happen some time. It is the same with the start in Sinagpur. I don't get this discussion. There is nothing unnormale about this incidents.

[Vladimir]

Shame for Scuderia, because of the bad luck . Mercedes will play safe game to the end of season I think.
Comments from Max and Red Bull are disgraceful. They won and still are disrespectful for PU they have.
I hope, Mclaren and Renault will shut them mouth next year.

The fact they won had nothing to do with renault pu. It's factually worse than the opposition. Just look where all the other renault powered cars fisnished.

Ha, your coment make no sense at all. All PU, even Honda now, are more or less in same level.End Renault PU has lot influence in Red Bull win, like you or not that is the fact.
This is all abouth team ethic. Shame on you Red Bull, you don't deserve any PU!

[lebesset]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBcnCB_HpI

So, is this normal line once the race is over and there is a driver on your right going faster?

exactly the normal line.....all drivers are instructed to leave the racing line to pick up rubber on the marbles
maybe vettel is too inexperienced to know that

[Juzh]

Ha, your coment make no sense at all. All PU, even Honda now, are more or less in same level.

We'll just leave it here.

[FrukostScones]

@GAz
damage lies in the past, possible theft in the future, so it is rational to take it with him to prevent the event from happening.

Or he just couldn't be arsed to put it back on a completely knackered car, which is far more likely and perfectly understandable.

VET couln't get it back on correctly so he took it for reasons with him.

When asked by Autosport why he took the wheel with him, Vettel replied: "It was a sort of reflex.

"I saw Pascal was stopped and I couldn't get the steering wheel back on because the steering column was completely turned.

"Obviously the car was damaged. I put it in the seat, and it was reflex - sometimes they open the track to spectators, so I thought that's the only loose bit.

"Because I couldn't put it on I thought I might as well take it with me just to make sure.

"You don't want to lose a steering wheel. Was it necessary? Probably not."

[Vanja #66]

There is absolutely nothing that can be said to abolish Stroll of sole blame for the incident...

[Restomaniac]

There is absolutely nothing that can be said to abolish Stroll of sole blame for the incident...

To you.

[Phil]

So then tell me how does he do pick up on that constant radius relative to the corner bearing in mind that the marbles over on the right?

You know seeing as Vet stated that he was doing that.

You guys are all ignoring the interviews.

1. Stroll was in the process of picking up rubber

2. Stroll was looking in his left side-mirror and attempting to let Grosjean through (the car whos onbord footage is being used to show what happened)

3. The logical conclusion is Stroll did not see Vettel who was driving much quicker coming by at the right and clipped him in the process.

Just unfortunate set of circumstances. One could say Vettel should have been a bit more careful when driving by other cars at high speed. One could also say that Stroll should (could?) have seen him if he checked both mirrors. Fact is, it just happened too fast as many things came together at the same time.

Without trying to argue who is more at fault than the other, I really felt both could have done a much better job avoiding it. Unfortunate? I rather say both deserved a penalty for being completely oblivious. Who in the hell creates an accident on the cool down lap? If Vettel looses his title because a gearbox change penalty forced by this penalty, he will have to look at himself. Again, I'm not getting into a discussion where one has more blame than the other, but Vettel ultimately has much more to loose. Apparently a lesson he still has not learned after Singapore. Stroll has nothing to loose on this even if he too has damage. He'll just shrug it off, knowing there is nothing significant anymore to fight for this season, which again does not mean he should take a nap on the inlap.

If someone told me this was a driverless car test done by google, I would have believed it.

While I agree with everything you've said, I'm inclined to say it was just an unfortunate incident part of a chain reaction. I am actually quite surprised this hasn't happened more often mind you. The way I see the winner or the top 3 celebrate their victories by waving to the fans while others are moving past makes you wonder how many potential crashes could happen if one were to drift across the track momentarily.

Therefore I'm also inclined to put the blame on both, perhaps Vettel a bit more. He was conducting the "overtake" so there's always a certain element of risk that he is not seen, especially given that the non-erratic behaviour for all drivers on the grid at that point is to go off-line to pick up marbles. One would think that Vettel could have used a bit more foresight to leave a little more room as tolerance just in case he wasn't seen by Stroll. I also think the fact that Vettel was driving much quicker then the rest would also account for a bit that lead to this unfortunate incident.

[Juzh]

You guys are all ignoring the interviews.

1. Stroll was in the process of picking up rubber

2. Stroll was looking in his left side-mirror and attempting to let Grosjean through (the car whos onbord footage is being used to show what happened)

3. The logical conclusion is Stroll did not see Vettel who was driving much quicker coming by at the right and clipped him in the process.

Just unfortunate set of circumstances. One could say Vettel should have been a bit more careful when driving by other cars at high speed. One could also say that Stroll should (could?) have seen him if he checked both mirrors. Fact is, it just happened too fast as many things came together at the same time.

Without trying to argue who is more at fault than the other, I really felt both could have done a much better job avoiding it. Unfortunate? I rather say both deserved a penalty for being completely oblivious. Who in the hell creates an accident on the cool down lap? If Vettel looses his title because a gearbox change penalty forced by this penalty, he will have to look at himself. Again, I'm not getting into a discussion where one has more blame than the other, but Vettel ultimately has much more to loose. Apparently a lesson he still has not learned after Singapore. Stroll has nothing to loose on this even if he too has damage. He'll just shrug it off, knowing there is nothing significant anymore to fight for this season, which again does not mean he should take a nap on the inlap.

If someone told me this was a driverless car test done by google, I would have believed it.

While I agree with everything you've said, I'm inclined to say it was just an unfortunate incident part of a chain reaction. I am actually quite surprised this hasn't happened more often mind you. The way I see the winner or the top 3 celebrate their victories by waving to the fans while others are moving past makes you wonder how many potential crashes could happen if one were to drift across the track momentarily.

Therefore I'm also inclined to put the blame on both, perhaps Vettel a bit more. He was conducting the "overtake" so there's always a certain element of risk that he is not seen, especially given that the non-erratic behaviour for all drivers on the grid at that point is to go off-line to pick up marbles. One would think that Vettel could have used a bit more foresight to leave a little more room as tolerance just in case he wasn't seen by Stroll. I also think the fact that Vettel was driving much quicker then the rest would also account for a bit that lead to this unfortunate incident.

Not sure if serious.

https://streamable.com/bom3m

Both, Vettel and the car behind, are catching up stroll since he's going at snail's pace. Stroll even takes a tighter line to the left just before suddenly counter steering to the right (in a sharp left hander no less). There was absolutely nothing Vettel could have done. He was already 3/4 of car length ahead of him. This one is down to stroll 100%. Anyone saying differently is not looking at the same footage or race.

[TAG]

Somewhere out there, there's a fan seething, because in the end it must be Hamilton's fault.

Let it go, you'll suffer less, all suffering is caused by wishing things were different. We've got Japan and the most beautiful example of a track designed by someone who didn't have a ruler coming up.

...and everything is right with the world.

Did you guys catch the post race interview of Vettel complaining of how Mercedes used Bottas to give him a hard time while overtaking him? @the 2:16 mark. Priceless.

[Vasconia]

I think Bottas let slip what Merc's problem was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp_B8VN3wB0

missing pace and sliding around the more the quicker I try to go the more I overheat the tires and the more I slide and that's the more I struggle

Merc has had an issue in high temperatures all year, and when they switched to the softs (less thermally sensitive), the gap between Max and Lewis stabilized. Personally I don't think they have fully recovered from the suspension rule changes during testing.

Vettel moaning that Bottas blocked him. What did he expect?

Hamilton not happy with the car and "operational" issues. Think they were 8/10s slower than Ferrari. Really? Just "tired and emotional" or is it a real issue?

If either win next week, they will be shouting how great the car/team/spectators are. Nothing changes, it seems.

Hamilton usually tends to exaggerate their problems but I agree with the fact that Mercedes had two problems in Malasia:

1.New package didnt work well.
2. Tyre´s operating window. An usual problem which I thought they have solved.

I dont think its something terrible unless it is repited in Suzuka.