Photo comparison: RB4/STR3/R28 possible?

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Photo comparison: RB4/STR3/R28 possible?

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Im sure that Bar555 is hard at work bringing the world THE MEASURE of photo comparison threads for the RB4 and the STR3. I was wondering if it was possible to have a few pics of the R28 "new" engine cover added to the comparison of that section. I have a hunch that the R28 and the RB4 are going to be more similar than the RB4 and the STR3.

Bar555, you think that this would be worthwhile?

Chris

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Conceptual wrote:I have a hunch that the R28 and the RB4 are going to be more similar than the RB4 and the STR3.
How can one be more similar than the identical (apart from the mirrors)?

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Bar555 has been busy lately. I have started off with similar work on this. Due to lack of time I couldn't make more than one. But would soon come up with more.

First of all let's start with the most clearly visible hump. Yes the Engine Cover Hump. Renault have also used RB4's Wngine Engine Hump design. I reckon maybe because of same engines. Not sure but it could be due to weight distribution.




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modbaraban wrote:
Conceptual wrote:I have a hunch that the R28 and the RB4 are going to be more similar than the RB4 and the STR3.
How can one be more similar than the identical (apart from the mirrors)?
I would probably say since the RB4 and the Renault run identical engines, and the STR3 runs a Ferrari engine.

If you were renault, and looking for a custom-fit solution, I would logically say that you would first look to the other team that uses your identical engine. Wouldnt the packaging around the Renault and Ferrari engines be different? Or are the regs so strict that any engine cover would encase any engine equally?

chris

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HKS wrote:Bar555 has been busy lately. I have started off with similar work on this. Due to lack of time I couldn't make more than one. But would soon come up with more.

First of all let's start with the most clearly visible hump. Yes the Engine Cover Hump. Renault have also used RB4's Wngine Engine Hump design. I reckon maybe because of same engines. Not sure but it could be due to weight distribution.




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I dont know what development stage the RB4 pic was taken at, but it looks as if the cutaway on the very back is much deeper on the STR3 than on either the Renault or the RB4.

Maybe I'm just looking too hard?

Chris

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Conceptual wrote:Im sure that Bar555 is hard at work bringing the world THE MEASURE of photo comparison threads for the RB4 and the STR3. I was wondering if it was possible to have a few pics of the R28 "new" engine cover added to the comparison of that section. I have a hunch that the R28 and the RB4 are going to be more similar than the RB4 and the STR3.

Bar555, you think that this would be worthwhile?

Chris
Guessed correct Chris , indeed i am working on a comparison thread for RB4-STR3 as i did last year for RB3-STR2 .

A triple R28-RB4-STR3 comparison combo would prove that R28 is really much different than RB4-STR3 but some similarities are really found . I will give a try to this comparison as well
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bar555 wrote:
Conceptual wrote:Im sure that Bar555 is hard at work bringing the world THE MEASURE of photo comparison threads for the RB4 and the STR3. I was wondering if it was possible to have a few pics of the R28 "new" engine cover added to the comparison of that section. I have a hunch that the R28 and the RB4 are going to be more similar than the RB4 and the STR3.

Bar555, you think that this would be worthwhile?

Chris
Guessed correct Chris , indeed i am working on a comparison thread for RB4-STR3 as i did last year for RB3-STR2 .

A triple R28-RB4-STR3 comparison combo would prove that R28 is really much different than RB4-STR3 but some similarities are really found . I will give a try to this comparison as well

Just the engine cover is what I'm interested in. Like when I asked for the TF-108 and the FW30 comparison, based on identical engines, the covers would almost have to be similar in their packaging...

We all appreciate these comparisons Bar555, thank you so much for the time and effort that you put into these!

Chris

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So here is my contribution

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Above you can clearly see the root of the shark fin ( I prefer calling it Dorsal fin – analogous to shark fin name ) and the blade fin as well
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Thank you Bar555!

Clearly different! The R28 doesnt have the "T" wing element attached to the dorsal fin like the RB4/STR3.

Chris

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Conceptual wrote:The R28 doesnt have the "T" wing element attached to the dorsal fin like the RB4/STR3.
Do you mean the airbox wings? As the only car that has T-wings attached to the engine cover is F1.08 (so far). What we see at the back of RBR and STR is the midwing (connected to the flip-ups on the sides).

@ Bar555 - thanks for nice pics. Is it just me or the rear wings are a bit different? Have a look at the middle and compare the depth of that V on the flaps. The RBR-one seems deeper to me :?

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I think that the V depth is the about the same for RB4 & STR3 ,
the slightly different photo angle taken gives the wrong impression

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Re: Photo comparison: RB4/STR3/R28 possible?

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Another attempt at this.
STR3 and R28 during the Barcelona practice session
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1-Different positions of sideview mirrors. Renault has opted for the traditional styling. the one close to the driver, whereas RBR has opted for Schumi style mirrors.

2. Renault has Ferrari style multi foil rear wings.

3.The wings near the airbox of RBR are much larger than that of R28.


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