Scuderia Ferrari crew broken leg

[ian_s]

just on kimi in the pits going out again. i am not sure he could back up under his own power didn't Hamilton do this and get points on his super license.
so he would have had to wait for a crew to jack him up and pull him back. to a pit box that was full of medical staff and i have been on enough first aid courses to know that its better to stabilise straight away than rush moving the person. the medics could't know if they could have just popped the guy quickly onto a stretcher and moved him. just a broken leg it would be safe to move the guy (a bit mean) but they needed to figure out if the skin had been punctured and if any arteries has been opened as can happen with leg breaks.

lets not forget once this process took more than 1 minute kimi would have been a lap down and out of the points so no point wasting engine millage

he went flying so they'd be assessing for neck and head damage too before moving him. no way could Kimi have waited.
He'd have had to go out, do 2 or 3 laps then hope the pits were clear, (5 minutes for 3 laps?), which i don't think they were

[oT v1]

Kimi was indeed doing his rage walk back to the garage, ignoring everyone, but did stop when he saw the mechanic on the ground. I think most of the responses are correct, there wasn’t much he could help with from that point onwards.

We don’t know what happens behind the scenes and what Kimi has said/offeredto the mechanic etc. We’ve seen drivers lock up and skidding into mechanics (I believe sauber) but Kimi was not at fault

[taperoo2k]

just on kimi in the pits going out again. i am not sure he could back up under his own power didn't Hamilton do this and get points on his super license.
so he would have had to wait for a crew to jack him up and pull him back. to a pit box that was full of medical staff and i have been on enough first aid courses to know that its better to stabilise straight away than rush moving the person. the medics could't know if they could have just popped the guy quickly onto a stretcher and moved him. just a broken leg it would be safe to move the guy (a bit mean) but they needed to figure out if the skin had been punctured and if any arteries has been opened as can happen with leg breaks.

lets not forget once this process took more than 1 minute kimi would have been a lap down and out of the points so no point wasting engine millage

he went flying so they'd be assessing for neck and head damage too before moving him. no way could Kimi have waited.
He'd have had to go out, do 2 or 3 laps then hope the pits were clear, (5 minutes for 3 laps?), which i don't think they were

He would have had 3 laps to change tyres as per the rules, so if the pit wasn't clear he'd have to stop anyway or suffer a penalty. Better to switch off the car in the pits, to save mileage and to get it cooled down quickly than to risk a penalty and negative PR. As for Kimi's anger ? That might have been an "Oh not again" type reaction without realising why they stopped him for.

[adrianjordan]

Kimi's anger could also have been at himself for injuring one of the pit crew. Whether he later realised it wasn't his fault, he could still be angry at himself for it.

[adrianjordan]

just on kimi in the pits going out again. i am not sure he could back up under his own power didn't Hamilton do this and get points on his super license.
so he would have had to wait for a crew to jack him up and pull him back. to a pit box that was full of medical staff and i have been on enough first aid courses to know that its better to stabilise straight away than rush moving the person. the medics could't know if they could have just popped the guy quickly onto a stretcher and moved him. just a broken leg it would be safe to move the guy (a bit mean) but they needed to figure out if the skin had been punctured and if any arteries has been opened as can happen with leg breaks.

lets not forget once this process took more than 1 minute kimi would have been a lap down and out of the points so no point wasting engine millage

Trust me, you'd know straight away if there was an arterial bleed!!

[adrianjordan]

Hopefully the mechanic will recover fully, it was a big hit (that can happen, no blame, just a coordination issue that needs to be improved). At first I thought his whole knee was gone, it seemed really dreadful.

Tib-fib fractures, whilst painful, are actually quite straightforward to recover from with the right care and physio.

He states he had an operation, so he's most likely had metalwork placed to support the bones. Ferrari will, I am certain, be ensuring that he gets access to top level physio (they have them on staff afterall).

It might take a little while, but he should make a full recovery.

[adrianjordan]

Finally something on which I can speak with some authority (I'm a paramedic and have done medical cover at motorsports events).

For those wondering whether the pit box would be cleared within 3 laps.

Very, very, very unlikely. As someone else mentioned, they'd want to clear his c-spine and make sure he didn't have any life-threatening injuries (pelvis or femur would be the obvious others based on mechanism). They would then want to load him up on pain relief (entonox and then IV morphine) which would take at least 10 minutes to be effective enough to move him.

If there was no compromise to circulation then they would then splint his leg and take him to the med centre. If there was compromise to circulation then they would need to apply traction to try and restore that before again moving him to the med centre.

[roon]

Poor guy. That must have hurt like hell.

[Cannonballer]

Kimi's anger could also have been at himself for injuring one of the pit crew. Whether he later realised it wasn't his fault, he could still be angry at himself for it.

And or he could have been angry that another faulty pit stop not only cost him in the race, but also could have cost a member of the pit crew their life...

[Manoah2u]

I am curious though, why didn't the FIA close the pitlane? Isn't there a rule or policy that when an incident occurs in the pits during the race, that the pitlane is closed to prevent danger?

Given, he wasn't spread on the actual 'lane', but within the 'area' of the team's pit, but there's not a whole lot of room around as far as i'm concerned, and then there needs to be the ability to freely move around the victim. i am 100% sure i have seen incidents that the FIA mentioned - it was mentioned on-screen on TV - that the pitlane was closed during a certain incident.
now i might have actually missed it, if so, then ignore the above, but i didn't notice any such message during the pit incident with kimi's car and the stricken pitcrew member.

imho it is fairly dangerous to have cars passing with what, 80+kph just a few feet away from a injured person - it's not the first time chaos happens in the pits.

So what i'm trying to find out is what rule exactly exists for situations like this. or which protocol, and if it wasn't used this time, why not?

totally another situation, but i also suddenly remember last year (or was it 2 years already) incident where a wheel that came off hit a pitcrew member or a camera man during a race?
did the guy recover?

[mertol]

Then they could injure a guy every time they need to screw the rival's strategy and deny them a pitstop

[Big Tea]

Then they could injure a guy every time they need to screw the rival's strategy and deny them a pitstop

No, they would have to use a different guy each time ( )

[DVB]

totally another situation, but i also suddenly remember last year (or was it 2 years already) incident where a wheel that came off hit a pitcrew member or a camera man during a race?
did the guy recover?

A British cameraman was hurt after being hit by a loose wheel following a botched pit stop involving Red Bull's Mark Webber at the German Grand Prix.

Webber's right rear wheel came off as he pulled away from his pit box and hit cameraman Paul Allen, who suffered a broken shoulder and cracked ribs.

The incident happened on lap nine of the 60-lap race at the Nurburgring.

Allen, who works for FOM, Formula 1's in-house broadcaster, was taken to hospital and kept "under observation".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKMIUbPB1Z0

[Big Tea]

totally another situation, but i also suddenly remember last year (or was it 2 years already) incident where a wheel that came off hit a pitcrew member or a camera man during a race?
did the guy recover?

A British cameraman was hurt after being hit by a loose wheel following a botched pit stop involving Red Bull's Mark Webber at the German Grand Prix.

Webber's right rear wheel came off as he pulled away from his pit box and hit cameraman Paul Allen, who suffered a broken shoulder and cracked ribs.

The incident happened on lap nine of the 60-lap race at the Nurburgring.

Allen, who works for FOM, Formula 1's in-house broadcaster, was taken to hospital and kept "under observation".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKMIUbPB1Z0

Webber actually mentioned this this week on C4 coverage. He said the guy was fine and they are still friends.

[Manoah2u]

wait wut, that was with webber, it's THAT long ago already?!!!!!