2018 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 27-29

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JonoNic wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:51
That was strategic. Now British media can use it against Vettel. Hamilton knows that the bias British media reaches all English speaking countries.
siskue2005 wrote:Absolute class from Lewis there, I have seen certain Germans celebrate like maniacs after a win like that.
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as if German and Italian medias are Saints :roll:

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siskue2005 wrote:
JonoNic wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:51
That was strategic. Now British media can use it against Vettel. Hamilton knows that the bias British media reaches all English speaking countries.
siskue2005 wrote:Absolute class from Lewis there, I have seen certain Germans celebrate like maniacs after a win like that.
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as if German and Italian medias are Saints :roll:
Never said that. British media has more reach.

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siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:48
TheGkbrk wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:05
Veeery interesting race. Bottas very unlucky so far. Another race win slipped away.
you need to understand one thing, Bottas was only in front because of Safety car. Otherwise he would have been 3 rd at the best. So lucky swings both ways
Don't think so, Hamilton was only 4s ahead when he pitted, and Bottas made many fastest laps after that, he would've come out right around Hamilton on US, he even had a chance at Vettel imo (no SC).

Good strategy by Merc with him, Ferrari screwed the pooch putting Vettel on softs for no reason.

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Has there ever been a penalty for improper DRS use?

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MtthsMlw wrote:Has there ever been a penalty for improper DRS use?
Did ever drivers activate it manually in the last few seasons?

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Ferrari: "We're tired of having the same ass all the time, so we'll have the other driver's ass today."

Max moved twice, again. You're allowed only one move during defending. When it came to him, it was never policed properly, and here is the outcome.
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Sevach wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:54
siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:48
TheGkbrk wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:05
Veeery interesting race. Bottas very unlucky so far. Another race win slipped away.
you need to understand one thing, Bottas was only in front because of Safety car. Otherwise he would have been 3 rd at the best. So lucky swings both ways
Don't think so, Hamilton was only 4s ahead when he pitted, and Bottas made many fastest laps after that, he would've come out right around Hamilton on US, he even had a chance at Vettel imo (no SC).

Good strategy by Merc with him, Ferrari screwed the pooch putting Vettel on softs for no reason.
You need 22 to 23 sec to make the pit stop and come out..... and Lewis was always within 18 to 20.5 sec behind Bottas - and sometimes even dipping to 17 and as high 20.5 at times, and Vettel was always 10.2 to 13 sec behind Bottas. So i dont think he would have come out in front of any of them.
If you say yes i will post the f1 live timings of all the 16 laps when Bottas was ahead?

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siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:48
TheGkbrk wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:05
Veeery interesting race. Bottas very unlucky so far. Another race win slipped away.
you need to understand one thing, Bottas was only in front because of Safety car. Otherwise he would have been 3 rd at the best. So luck swings both ways
Well, Hamilton locked up and ruined the supersofts, that was his mistake and cost him the opportunity to stay out much longer like Bottas did. Although Vettel might have stayed out too if Hamilton had pitted. The hypotheticals are complicated, but Bottas didn't put a foot wrong (unlike Lewis and Seb) and would have deserved the win.

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Shrieker wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:56
Ferrari: "We're tired of having the same ass all the time, so we'll have the other driver's ass today."

Max moved twice, again. You're allowed only one move during defending. When it came to him, it was never policed properly, and here is the outcome.
You’re allowed one move under braking, unless you’re verstappen. This was proven in 2016 many times against Ferrari. No one cared because it was Ferrari being princesses. Now it’s their own driver.

Of course Horner would never admit it on air, but I wonder if verstappen’s defending style was brought up in their little debrief. I dare say it would have been.

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JonoNic wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:51
That was strategic. Now British media can use it against Vettel. Hamilton knows that the bias British media reaches all English speaking countries.
siskue2005 wrote:Absolute class from Lewis there, I have seen certain Germans celebrate like maniacs after a win like that.
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That’s ridiculous. Even when the team back in 2013 Malaysia ‘gifted’ the podium to Hamilton, you could tell he wasnt all cheers.

And Siskue was mist likely talking about Rosberg.
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siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:59
Sevach wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:54
siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:48


you need to understand one thing, Bottas was only in front because of Safety car. Otherwise he would have been 3 rd at the best. So lucky swings both ways
Don't think so, Hamilton was only 4s ahead when he pitted, and Bottas made many fastest laps after that, he would've come out right around Hamilton on US, he even had a chance at Vettel imo (no SC).

Good strategy by Merc with him, Ferrari screwed the pooch putting Vettel on softs for no reason.
You need 22 to 23 sec to make the pit stop and come out..... and Lewis was always within 18 to 20.5 sec behind Bottas - and sometimes even dipping to 17 and as high 20.5 at times, and Vettel was always 10.2 to 13 sec behind Bottas. So i dont think he would have come out in front of any of them.
If you say yes i will post the f1 live timings of all the 16 laps when Bottas was ahead?
Valteri would have come out on brand new ultras on a track where the faster car getting past is never in doubt against Lewis and Seb on softs that couldn't even match 30 lap old supersofts.

He would have easily got Lewis regardless of coming out ahead or behind and had a very good shot at Vettel who was only another 7 seconds up the road.

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Let's look at how Lady Luck has done until now:

- Australia: Vettel won, but should have been 2nd
- Bahrain: Vettel won square and fair with an unbelievable job
- China: Hamilton should have finished behind Vettel, but ended the race way up instead
- Baku: Hamilton should have finished 3rd at best, but won and at the same time Vettel should have won, but finished 4th

Luck wise, Hamilton has definitely turned things around and is leading against his main rival in that matter.

Regarding today's race, Redbull will have much to discuss in debrief again. They raced each other rather than the leading cars.
On top of that incident Grosjean mixed up everything even more with his silly move.

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siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:59
Sevach wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:54
siskue2005 wrote:
29 Apr 2018, 16:48


you need to understand one thing, Bottas was only in front because of Safety car. Otherwise he would have been 3 rd at the best. So lucky swings both ways
Don't think so, Hamilton was only 4s ahead when he pitted, and Bottas made many fastest laps after that, he would've come out right around Hamilton on US, he even had a chance at Vettel imo (no SC).

Good strategy by Merc with him, Ferrari screwed the pooch putting Vettel on softs for no reason.
You need 22 to 23 sec to make the pit stop and come out..... and Lewis was always within 18 to 20.5 sec behind Bottas - and sometimes even dipping to 17 and as high 20.5 at times, and Vettel was always 10.2 to 13 sec behind Bottas. So i dont think he would have come out in front of any of them.
If you say yes i will post the f1 live timings of all the 16 laps when Bottas was ahead?
20s was touch and go, Vettel pitted with Hamilton 28s behind and came out 8s ahead.

He wouldn't have come out in front of Vettel but he might have caught him by the end, due to the bad pace of soft tires.
If he does come behind Hamilton he would be right on his gearbox on better tires.
Go right ahead and numbers you think prove Hamilton was "very safe" from Bottas.

On a different topic teams were overthinking things, the US was raceable, the Renaults made good use of them at the start and given how long you could go on SS a 1 pit strategy was still possible.
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Stroll and Magnussen are under investigation for improper DRS use as well.

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Phil are you in Britain or somewhere else? English speaking countries must buy F1 articles from British media (unedited). It seems to be too expensive to write your own articles.
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