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Lewis Hamilton has won his first race of the year, thanks to a very unfortunate retirement of Valtteri Bottas a few laps from the end. Kimi Raikkonen finished second for Ferrari, ahead of Perez who scores the first points of the season for Force India.
+1Moose wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 04:14What on earth do you mean "there was no room for that."Manoah2u wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 01:58danny could have tried the outside, and then the undercut. instead, he did one of his cunning 'deep brake manouvers' but the simple fact is there was no room for that.
sky made some decent notes on that when he was close enough behind max, there was simply no way he could brake enough due to the loss of downforce thanks to the wake of max' car.
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Look - there's two entire cars widths right there. That seems like plenty of room to me. At this point Verstappen was alerady moving to the right on the race track, so he'd already made one move. The only way for there to "not be room" is if Verstappen made a second move.
The VSC in Melbourne gave Vettel a shot at the lead but the Merc team gave him the lead on a plate. If you remember they said that their systems gave them the wrong numbers so Hamilton was driving at a wrong delta. Mercedes have only themselves to blame for losing out because if they have calculated the times correctly, Vettel would have re-joined in 2nd.
10 laps old US would have been completely cold after the SC. Same as the S he had.With the early stop he was anyways forced to pit under the SC.Shrieker wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 03:53Oh.. That was unlucky for Vettel then. A bit like oz. 12 seconds is enough to come out ahead even under sc. Do they have to drive to a delta (as in vsc ) round the entire circuit ? Cause the last time i remember, you could drive fast under sc other than the crash site. Maybe Ferrari should have put ultra softs on Vettel s car on his first stop then.. He drove really well today and up until he went wide on the second sc restart he was the driver of the weekend for sure. I wonder whether the muricans are pressuring race control to hit the nascar button whenever there s a chance. Which would obviously be a shame.NathanOlder wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 23:16Bottas did come out ahead after the put stop, even if Vettel didnt take new tyresShrieker wrote: ↑29 Apr 2018, 23:11Why did Ferrari FXXX Vettel when the SC came out ? Were they worried that Bottas would still come out ahead after his pitstop ? I think not; and Vettel on softs should've easily been able to keep Bottas behind on ultra softs. If Vettel was coming out ahead by staying out, than pitting him was an epic fail, and not just in hindsight...
What' s the deal here ?
Vettel was always at a disadvantage having to fight two cars. Mercedes could afford to go for it with Bottas. Same with Vettel in Austrailia. Ferrari had to attemt something different and wait for something. Same for Merc here. They had to attemt something different rather than settle for second and third. So stop blaming Ferrari! They had it covered till the bulls lost it. That is how they lost it. Hopefully spain is a proper race as last year. Safety cars deciding races are getting too artificial now.basti313 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 09:2510 laps old US would have been completely cold after the SC. Same as the S he had.With the early stop he was anyways forced to pit under the SC.
There was only one chance: Stay out like the Bulls or Bottas. It was a plain stupid move to pit by Ferrari. Vettel and Bottas were both faster on the SS than Ham on his S.
There would have been nothing to attempt for anyone here. See the pre-race expectations: Running long on the SS and going for the US at the end was the most expected strategy for the lead car. Hamilton was out of the game with his early switch to S, easily 10sec slower strategy.Mamba wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 09:50Vettel was always at a disadvantage having to fight two cars. Mercedes could afford to go for it with Bottas. Same with Vettel in Austrailia. Ferrari had to attemt something different and wait for something. Same for Merc here. They had to attemt something different rather than settle for second and third. So stop blaming Ferrari! They had it covered till the bulls lost it. That is how they lost it. Hopefully spain is a proper race as last year. Safety cars deciding races are getting too artificial now.basti313 wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 09:2510 laps old US would have been completely cold after the SC. Same as the S he had.With the early stop he was anyways forced to pit under the SC.
There was only one chance: Stay out like the Bulls or Bottas. It was a plain stupid move to pit by Ferrari. Vettel and Bottas were both faster on the SS than Ham on his S.
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Their chance might have gone now. As Barca updates might have other teams catch up... I hope not, but this could be reality.AMG.Tzan wrote:Everyone's talking about a thriller season with multiple winners and so on! Yet I am just waiting Ferrari, Vettel and fortune to get it together and end this championship early on! They are clearly fastest...reminds me a bit of the 2013 season where Red Bull and Vettel got it together by mid-season and ended the championship!
This post made me chuckle. You sound even more 'small man' and petty with your original post. Lewis already could have won in Melbourne legitimately on pace. And this is only round 4. How do you know it's the only way he can win? When you say meaningless things like that you just sound like a bitter fanatic.
Exactly. And they had contact before, it was unacceptable that they didn't apply team orders at any point. They'll think twice next time.santos wrote: ↑30 Apr 2018, 11:25Red Bull came with 0 points, because they want to look good to f1 fans. Most of the blame of the accident is from the ones that were on the pit wall. To people that says Stroll doesn't deserve a seat Because it's only the Money from is daddy, take a look where he finnished and what happened to Grosjean.