2018 Azerbaijan GP - Verstappen, Ricciardo clash

[NathanOlder]

You cant just make up a racing line. Otherwise you could say "my racing line zig zags all the way down the straight"

[Wynters]

The whole back straight Max drove on the left.. so that was his racing line, he moves a bit to the middle and moves back to his racing line, which was the left side at the time.

How hard can it be?

There's a difference between your interpretation "back to his racing line" and the wording of the rules "towards the racing line,".

It was Verstappen’s racing line- otherwise we can argue all night long that Verstappen never even moved from or towards the normal racing line/ right side of the track.

Not much of an argument. You can clearly see his movements. Starts left. Goes right. Goes left. There are a couple of white lines he helpfully zig-zags across.

[jz11]

There was even space left between Max and the wall, but Ricciardo didn’t not go there to avoid a crash- he couldn’t anymore- because he misjudged the situation.

is this some sort of a joke?

the ***head made a ****head move which resulted in 0 points for the team, he was slower all weekend, then passes Ric, and Ric as usual gives him room to avoid collision, then the ****head almost puts Ric into the wall on exit of this very same corner, miraculously avoiding any damage after a pretty hard contact, then some more hard defense, then, when finally Ric does get past him, he by sheer luck manages to regain the position because backmarkers haven't learned to let leaders pass, and then he basically causes this crash, and yet you somehow put blame on RIC?

I can only praise Ric for managing keeping it together so well, because his TEAMMATE ruined his and WHOLE TEAMS effort, well, because he is just what Hamilton called him.

Yes, first you do race your teammate, but you race him, not crash him because your ego is over inflated by the empty hype

[George-Jung]

The whole back straight Max drove on the left.. so that was his racing line, he moves a bit to the middle and moves back to his racing line, which was the left side at the time.

How hard can it be?

There's a difference between your interpretation "back to his racing line" and the wording of the rules "towards the racing line,".

It was Verstappen’s racing line- otherwise we can argue all night long that Verstappen never even moved from or towards the normal racing line/ right side of the track.

Not much of an argument. You can clearly see his movements. Starts left. Goes right. Goes left.

The racing line is not a fixed thing; it is the line you’re racing at the moment of time from where onwards you could make ‘moves’.. because you are always allowed to move back to side from where you initiated the move (incase there is room)

Of course you have a ‘normal racing line’ which is the most optimum to go as fast as possible around a specific track.

[George-Jung]

Starts left. Goes right. Goes left.

And that is perfectly ‘legal’.. because that 2nd move is the move back towards the position on the track before you initiated the whole ‘move’ in the first place.

If he would have moved right again, than it would have been a completely different story- but that didn’t happen.

[Phil]

The racing line is not a fixed thing; it is the line you’re racing at the moment of time from where onwards you could make ‘moves’.. because you are always allowed to move back to side from where you initiated the move (incase there is room).

Actually, the racing line most commonly referred to the quickest way around the track, which will be pretty equal for 90% of the time for all cars.

Even so, you're ignoring the obvious, and that is Verstappen's reactive driving. Dan pulls to the right, Max follows to the right (and opens the gap on the left). Dan pulls to the left, Verstappen pulls back to the left. However small those movements are, Dan reacted back to them and ultimately was committed to a move that no longer worked.

Imagine closing a car on a long straight and you are closing in quickly with a large speed differential. You move to the right and the car in front does so too. Meanwhile, the gap is closing rapidly. You then move to the left because that's where the gap is opening and the car in front mirrors that movement. What do you think will happen? What do you expect the car behind to do?


EDIT: And no, it isn't legal. One move is allowed to stop this from happening, other wise you could pretty much use your car as a dynamic obstacle and prevent any overtake from happening (at the risk of provoking a dangerous accident).

[dans79]

Wow?!! The video is just there?!!
Please show me where I see things as I want them to see..

The whole back straight Max drove on the left.. so that was his racing line, he moves a bit to the middle and moves back to his racing line, which was the left side at the time.

How hard can it be?

What part of one move only don't you understand?

[TAG]

It wasn’t just ‘a quote’ it was his whole mindset and driverlife-philosophy..

Verstappen has already used up his lifetime share of that quote.

[Jolle]

The problem wasn’t that VER moved back to the racing line, but that it was done under braking.
On one hands it’s quite an accomplishment that he can, but it’s not done.

Plus RIC was so close that there wasn’t any room for error. Good chance that RIC would have clipped VER if VER didn’t make that last move.

Shame, but on the other hand, I do like some hard racing.

[George-Jung]

It’s clearly not going to lead anywhere- we simply will never agree.

[Wynters]

The racing line is not a fixed thing; it is the line you’re racing at the moment of time from where onwards you could make ‘moves’.. because you are always allowed to move back to side from where you initiated the move (incase there is room)

How do you know what the "moment in time" is when "you could make 'moves'"? What are these 'moves' you refer to? Where are these defined of mentioned in the regulations?

Of course you have a ‘normal racing line’ which is the most optimum to go as fast as possible around a specific track.

That's exactly what 'The racing line' is. That's why its referred to as 'The racing line' in the regulations. It's not 'the driver's racing line' or 'a racing line' or 'Verstappen's personal racing line that lets him do stupid things'... it's The racing line'.

Have you never wondered why all the experienced drivers (with an awful lot of WDCs between them) have all said 'Weaving in the braking zone is really stupid, against the regs, and will lead to an accident sooner rather than later"? Have you never wondered why other people don't do this really obvious thing that stops people overtaking them?

[Bisonas]

Most sensible drivers bla bla..

Kimi passed Vettel in Baku in the end.

People seem to forget you first race against your teammate and than the rest;

when Rosberg and Hamilton battled each other hard in Bahrain everybody loved it- but was it ‘sensible’?

Let me tell you all this; Verstappen is going nowhere, because otherwise Mercedes or Ferrari will sign him in a heartbeat.

Last but not least, here the link to the incident and please show me the multiple moves Max made, that aren’t allowed?

https://youtu.be/36YFQTFzZwU

Max drove the entire back straight on the left side, so that was his racing line- he once moved a bit to the middle and than moved back to the left which was he racing line to begin with.

There was even space left between Max and the wall, but Ricciardo didn’t not go there to avoid a crash- he couldn’t anymore- because he misjudged the situation.

We have FIA and Cristian Horner mocking our intelligence with their statements .
There is no need for you to continue the trend.
When you have 90% off ppl on all major f1 forums, and 90% of journalists on all major f1 sites telling you one thing,
your inability to even consider that you are wrong is beyond me.
I won't bother explain the reasons that you wrong. They are all well documented already all over the internet.

[JonoNic]

Actually I think that Vettel's start was safer than Bottas' start. Just because of the higher approaching speed into turn 1 with that tailwind. Definitely a non-issue

Haha, yes that is a bit pushing it by Hammy! Perhaps on purpose

[zac510]

The racing line is not a fixed thing; it is the line you’re racing at the moment of time from where onwards you could make ‘moves’.. because you are always allowed to move back to side from where you initiated the move (incase there is room).

Actually, the racing line most commonly referred to the quickest way around the track, which will be pretty equal for 90% of the time for all cars.

Yes what Phil said, 100%.

[George-Jung]

Even so, you're ignoring the obvious, and that is Verstappen's reactive driving. Dan pulls to the right, Max follows to the right (and opens the gap on the left). Dan pulls to the left, Verstappen pulls back to the left. However small those movements are, Dan reacted back to them and ultimately was committed to a move that no longer worked.

EDIT: And no, it isn't legal. One move is allowed to stop this from happening, other wise you could pretty much use your car as a dynamic obstacle and prevent any overtake from happening (at the risk of provoking a dangerous accident).

Isn’t racing always ‘reactive driving’- at least when you’re attack/defending??

What you described is exactly what always happens when defending? You are allowed one move ánd back.. resulting in two moves in total.

And like you said Ricciardo commited himself to a move that didn’t work.. so at the end ‘his fault’- although I blame the team for giving Ricciardo the green light to attack again- with nothing to gain for the team.