2018 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 20-22

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Dave P Fanclub wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 13:52
atanatizante wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 11:49
There`s no doubt that from Canada on Ferrari PU is the most powerful out there.
But it`s interesting to see why they are ahead now, isn`t it?

I don`t buy that 28kW/38HP AMuS argument due to at least 2 factors: they don`t have access to the team's data and secondly, they can`t do either simple math or don't have the knowledge (for instance, once they said that Ferrari has increased their ES from 4MJ to 4.4MJ in order to gain 28kW but when you do the math you could see its rather 4.93MJ ... then they bounced from the presumable 120+28kW=148kW to 150kW saying that means 201HP instead of 204 ...). So it's not the first time they didn't give us some reliable info ...

Toto said they are now gaining some 5 tenths on the straights and that is not due to Ferrari`s 38HP gain as it`s almost impossible to achieve these days in such a short frame of time and there was a quote in AMus from an advised person how said that this amount of HP could be reached only in 2 years development time ...

He identified 2 elements which are responsible for that gain: TC and MGU-H and all the odds are favourable for the latter. But normally this costs the engine too much power because of the exhaust backpressure and Ferrari has found a way to reduce the power loss of the ICE due to their Shell investments in combustion with TJI, HCCI and so on technologies. But that`s not all. Furthermore, Shell has done his homework for a more important aspect: fuel formulation or fuel calorific power hence more HP. So they are ahead of both combustion+fuel side and from MGU-H side for allowing them now, presumably, 120kW constantly both in qualy and maybe even in the race. And that's the reason why they don't need to harvest so much via MGU-K as AMuS said.

This progress on ICE side is translated in better traction out of slow to medium corners and that allows them to alter their deployment strategy with no more time spent out of the corners (like everybody team does) and now being solely for the straights. That explains why after 200km/h (in Merc case) Ferrari`s speed is going upwards towards top speed sooner, coz their deployment is doing longer times than the opposition. And that`s the reason they are gaining time on the straights coz they could stay longer on top speed ...

And that`s not all. Having a speed advantage in the straight (not to be confused by top speed) this allows them to have a bigger RW AoA hence more DF out of the slow and medium corners.

And finally, they have better starts out of the line also due to having a better traction and that`s another proof for their progress in combustion & fuel side ...
That's really interesting (and plausible) atanatizante. Mind me asking you where you're getting these theories from?
They come from Ferrari Power Unit thread: viewtopic.php?p=781167#p781167
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According to Accuweather, there is a 51% of rain 30 minutes after the start :

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How about strategy in the race?
Maybe US-S one, or in case of an SC phase they could switch to a US-S-US one like RB did in China ...
And for Lewis and Ricci a clearly one stop-race, but I`ll be interesting to see had they could do it an S-US race rather than an S-M one ...

And the last minute rumour: Nico Rosberg said on Sky that Ferrari now has some 25% more energy coming out of ES than everybody ... is that so? :) ...
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On Austrian TV Toto has just told that Hamilton’s bumpy off-road ride caused the hydraulic problem.

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That's pretty funny lol. I guess similar experience means I can find the humour in that :lol:
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LM10 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 14:12
On Austrian TV Toto has just told that Hamilton’s bumpy off-road ride caused the hydraulic problem.
So we’re back to believing Toro again are we?

It’s so confusing I can never tell.

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Since Silverstone Merc said they will revise their starts ... how they are doing now? at least from their free practice tests perspective ...
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zibby43 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 03:52
F1Krof wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 00:57
Hey, when are we starting to complain that the Ferrari's engine is too powerful and it's not fair and that their chassis sucks but it's the 'power' that's doing all the work and when are we asking to change the rules? :P
Yeah. As a Merc fan, part of me would actually be happy for Ferrari fans getting to experience this year.

But so many of them have been so absolutely insufferable during Merc's dominance that it's hard to feel any happiness for them whatsoever.
I feel sorry for you mate. The pain must have be excruciating for you during Vettel's dominance of 2010-2013 and Ferrari finishing ahead of Mercedes in those years.

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Nice to see the stadium full!
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Dear God the trophies are worse than France.

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Start will be crucial for Hamilton, he is not used to starting in the pack since a couple of years now.

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I hope it rains like nuts.
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Luck decides races in the rain. So I am against rain.

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marvin78 wrote:
22 Jul 2018, 15:04
Luck decides races in the rain. So I am against rain.
Not really. If anything, it increases the importance of skill.

I'd actually argue having no rain = luck, because then the lucky ones in the best cars are the ones who do best. Several perspectives of course but rain means skill plays a bigger part and the machine's ability becomes less important.
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