2018 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 14-16 September

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Seeing sector times, Ferrari was the slowest top team in both technical S2 & S3 and there are 2 reasons for that: one is they overheated the rear tyres due to being faster than Merc/RB on the outlap or just they setup their cars more towards the race, bearing in mind they were thinking they`ve got the upper hand in qualy ...
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Hamilton pole lap


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yelistener wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:44
Lewis P1 and Max P2. It's gonna be really interesting to see whether tomorrow Lewis decides to cover off Max at the start and whether Ferrari will gain something from that. It's gonna be one hell of a race start tomorrow.
If Verstappen picks up Hamilton and Vettel gets involved for a second year in a row Hamilton won’t mind at all.
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That indeed looks boring but neat .. without timing you wouldn’t say it’s insanely fast.
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Extreme lap by Max as well btw ...
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Juzh wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:25
Hamilton had really good lap, no question, deserved pole. However it is not a true reflection of pace. Vettel's both laps were downright bad with lockups galore. He did get purple S1 but it went south from there on.
Throughout all qualy sessions, Ferrari was slower in S2 and S3 but fastest in S1. This means either overheating the rears or just setup the car more towards the race knowing they would win the front row ...
Seems to me they wanna nurse the HS tyres in order to do a longer first stint and trying a HS-S one stop strategy with a little help of an SC phase ...
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siskue2005 wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:38
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15 Sep 2018, 16:36
Things will look increasingly bleak for Seb if Lewis gets another 10 points over him tomorrow.

In Q3 Merc needed only a slow outlap - Ferrari needed a fast one, so it would seem (relatively speaking) that Ferrari has trouble putting heat into the tyres. Also in Q2, Merc could do two flying laps on the hypers - Ferrari just one. Judging by these factors, compared to Red Bull and Merc, Ferrari would seem to be more susceptible to blistering.
yeah really baffled by Ferrari's pace
Did they change the setup to reduce their tyre wear from FP3 to Qualy?
Kimi just said they couldn't switch the hypers on.

Except they handle the hypers differently in race trim than on a one lap banzai, it is looking like another race with tyre issues for Ferrari.

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simieski wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:43
How does that affect which tracks are predicted to suit Ferrari or Mercedes in the remains races?
There's no really slow speed/bumpy tracks left on the calendar. I'd say most of the tracks left are 50-50 I just think tracks like Austin, Sotchi, Interlagos (new tarmac) and Abu Dhabi (low temp) will suit more for Merc.

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atanatizante wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:46
Seeing sector times, Ferrari was the slowest top team in both technical S2 & S3 and there are 2 reasons for that: one is they overheated the rear tyres due to being faster than Merc/RB on the outlap or just they setup their cars more towards the race, bearing in mind they were thinking they`ve got the upper hand in qualy ...
Yeah, I really think that Ferrari got caught out on the real pace of RB and Merc. In Q2 they realized their mistake as they were quickly shuffled down the order, but unfortunately for them the car setup was already fixed.

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Juzh wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:47
Hamilton pole lap

https://streamable.com/mwrx4
The car go towards the apex perfectly with very little/smooth steering angle, unlike the rest of the season were Hamilton is putting so much effort to literally throw the car into the corner. Must have find something on that Merc

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ringo wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:39
GrandAxe wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:36
Things will look increasingly bleak for Seb if Lewis gets another 10 points over him tomorrow.

In Q3 Merc needed only a slow outlap - Ferrari needed a fast one, so it would seem (relatively speaking) that Ferrari has trouble putting heat into the tyres. Also in Q2, Merc could do two flying laps on the hypers - Ferrari just one. Judging by these factors, compared to Red Bull and Merc, Ferrari would seem to be more susceptible to blistering.
I dont think ferrari has trouble putting heat into the tyres. Its probably the other perspective, Mercedes has trouble overheating them so they go as slow as possible.
What has changed for them this year is that the Hypersoft is introduced. It doesn't seem hard to get on top off and understand. It takes less molly coddling to get into the right temperature range. I believe had the tyres been ultra softs Mercedes would be in trouble.

As for Hamilton's lap, he has at least one of those epic laps each year, where he has like a 7 tenths or 1 second gap to P2 on the same run. If someone had the time to put the highlights together, we would see its kinda a common thing from him.
Kimi says they had problems getting the hypers into the right zone. I vaguely recall Vettel or one of the commentators saying (in FP3) that Ferrari had made late set up changes.

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atanatizante wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:56
Juzh wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:25
Hamilton had really good lap, no question, deserved pole. However it is not a true reflection of pace. Vettel's both laps were downright bad with lockups galore. He did get purple S1 but it went south from there on.
Throughout all qualy sessions, Ferrari was slower in S2 and S3 but fastest in S1. This means either overheating the rears or just setup the car more towards the race knowing they would win the front row ...
I ain't saying vettel beats hamilton, just that it would be much closer. I don't think laps prior to Q3 matter very much for the top cars. Even in Q2, when they had to go out on the hypers, they weren't using a lot of engine power (top speed some 15 kmh down comapred to their Q3 run).

Vettel's second Q3 lap, notice the lockup in S2:


Without it probably P2.

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subcritical71 wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 17:00
atanatizante wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:46
Seeing sector times, Ferrari was the slowest top team in both technical S2 & S3 and there are 2 reasons for that: one is they overheated the rear tyres due to being faster than Merc/RB on the outlap or just they setup their cars more towards the race, bearing in mind they were thinking they`ve got the upper hand in qualy ...
Yeah, I really think that Ferrari got caught out on the real pace of RB and Merc. In Q2 they realized their mistake as they were quickly shuffled down the order, but unfortunately for them the car setup was already fixed.
Kimi said they couldn`t put heat into them that`s why they went aggressive on the outlap ... that means they setup the car for nursing the HS tyres in order to have a longer first stint and trying a one-stop HS-S tyre strategy, knowing there should be more than 50% chances of an SC phase ...
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atanatizante wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 17:08
subcritical71 wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 17:00
atanatizante wrote:
15 Sep 2018, 16:46
Seeing sector times, Ferrari was the slowest top team in both technical S2 & S3 and there are 2 reasons for that: one is they overheated the rear tyres due to being faster than Merc/RB on the outlap or just they setup their cars more towards the race, bearing in mind they were thinking they`ve got the upper hand in qualy ...
Yeah, I really think that Ferrari got caught out on the real pace of RB and Merc. In Q2 they realized their mistake as they were quickly shuffled down the order, but unfortunately for them the car setup was already fixed.
Kimi said they couldn`t put heat into them that`s why they went aggressive on the outlap ... that means they setup the car for nursing the HS tyres in order to have a longer first stint and trying a one-stop HS-S tyre strategy, knowing there should be more than 50% chances of an SC phase ...
But.... they haven't run the softs at all I think, they only had one set each to start with. I think their whole strategy was to be on pole and have track position. Now in the race they might be the fastest on US, but in danger of loosing out when they have to switch to S.

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Know matter what Ferrari's tyre weakness/strategy is they've lost out big time.
Track position is everything in Singapore.

It would be impossible for him to beat two cars with the overcut and overtaking is very difficult (especially passing a guy like Max).
The best Seb can wish for is that Max and Lewis make mistakes or have bad luck. Other than that, his race is already cooked. The odds that he would finish ahead of Lewis are close to zero.