Lewis Hamilton has won the Brazilian Grand Prix, but it wasn't until Verstappen spun due to contact with a backmarker that he took the lead to victory. Verstappen ended a furious second, narrowly ahead of Raikkonen and Ricciardo.
Very stupid of FIA guys to pull in drivers in Q3, especially when weather is playing trick. Too stupid.
it is an automated system, where in random cars are pulled to the weigh scales when the pit entry light changes to indicate the next car crossing should pull in the weigh bridge...... it is a computer based random system used for more than 2 decades now.
That does not mean that is a good system, right? FIA interfering with a drivers effort during changing conditions in a critical phase of a qualy session.
it is a way to catch anyone cheating, when it is random and you can be pulled to weigh scales any moment then no one will dare to cheat with weights. (as a 5 kg decrease can give you few tenths in laptime) ..... it is a good system to police the weight without weighing every car every session
Vettel Vettels the FIA scale!
Its hilarious, but why should the FIA disturb any teams qualifying with their foolishly timed weigh ins?
Not to mention when the rain is potentially imminent
That should mitigate any punishment for what is a pretty serious infringement.
The FIA should know not to interfere with qualifying, especially in changeable conditions where every second matters and which provide enough stress to bring out the animal in everyone.
But if they did that the teams may try to run underweight to gain an advantage, the teams cannot be trusted
Not to mention when the rain is potentially imminent
That should mitigate any punishment for what is a pretty serious infringement.
The FIA should know not to interfere with qualifying, especially in changeable conditions where every second matters and which provide enough stress to bring out the animal in everyone.
But if they did that the teams may try to run underweight to gain an advantage, the teams cannot be trusted
Exactly, this system is faultless in policing the weights of the car, without actually weighing all the cars every session
I was surprised, that no one of the Ferrari team dared to move to the scale. I mean...if the driver is supposed to switch off the engine and not to go of the scale on his own power...how should the car get off the weight bridge and back to the garage?
I had another look at the video:
- Scale was blocked by the cone. How should the car get on it in reasonable time?
- Vet running into the cone just cost more time.
- No signs of engine switch off or a sign (that according to the commentators should come from the Marschall in front) to switch it off.
- Marschall pushes with only one hand against the tire leading to the car rolling backwards.
- Getting off the scale did not look more "damaging" as getting on it.
The whole procedure looks weird and unnecessarily slow by all participants to me.
Watching the onboard it's clear that the engine was turned off. After the weighing he got a radio message "ok for fire up". He started the engine and drove off after the FIA guy indicated to move forward with his hand.
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Not to mention when the rain is potentially imminent
That should mitigate any punishment for what is a pretty serious infringement.
The FIA should know not to interfere with qualifying, especially in changeable conditions where every second matters and which provide enough stress to bring out the animal in everyone.
But if they did that the teams may try to run underweight to gain an advantage, the teams cannot be trusted
Yes, but they can use pressure sensors at the pit exit (and entry) to weigh every car as they go through, instead of the present clonky system that can put a driver/team at unfair disadvantage.
I was surprised, that no one of the Ferrari team dared to move to the scale. I mean...if the driver is supposed to switch off the engine and not to go of the scale on his own power...how should the car get off the weight bridge and back to the garage?
I had another look at the video:
- Scale was blocked by the cone. How should the car get on it in reasonable time?
- Vet running into the cone just cost more time.
- No signs of engine switch off or a sign (that according to the commentators should come from the Marschall in front) to switch it off.
- Marschall pushes with only one hand against the tire leading to the car rolling backwards.
- Getting off the scale did not look more "damaging" as getting on it.
The whole procedure looks weird and unnecessarily slow by all participants to me.
the old system was placed inside a garage like weigh scale area, but atleast now they have it on the pit entry itself, which saved a lot of time compared to old system
That should mitigate any punishment for what is a pretty serious infringement.
The FIA should know not to interfere with qualifying, especially in changeable conditions where every second matters and which provide enough stress to bring out the animal in everyone.
But if they did that the teams may try to run underweight to gain an advantage, the teams cannot be trusted
Yes, but they can use pressure sensors at the pit exit (and entry) to weigh every car as they go through, instead of the present clonky system that can put a driver/team at unfair disadvantage.
the cars need to be stationary to get correct weight, cannot measure accurately something which is moving
I was surprised, that no one of the Ferrari team dared to move to the scale. I mean...if the driver is supposed to switch off the engine and not to go of the scale on his own power...how should the car get off the weight bridge and back to the garage?
I had another look at the video:
- Scale was blocked by the cone. How should the car get on it in reasonable time?
- Vet running into the cone just cost more time.
- No signs of engine switch off or a sign (that according to the commentators should come from the Marschall in front) to switch it off.
- Marschall pushes with only one hand against the tire leading to the car rolling backwards.
- Getting off the scale did not look more "damaging" as getting on it.
The whole procedure looks weird and unnecessarily slow by all participants to me.
the old system was placed inside a garage like weigh scale area, but atleast now they have it on the pit entry itself, which saved a lot of time compared to old system
So it is a new system then? Did they brief all the drivers and stewards on the procedure?
Atta boy Vettel for destroying those scales. Vettel was directed onto the FIA scales after first run of Q3, Vettel turned off his engine on the scales as requested, but after being weighted he re-started his engine and while driving off promptly destroyed the FIA scales.
The current weighing system is almost perfect, get a grip! It is random, same for everyone and quite quick, period. If Vettel followed the protocol, it would have taken probably the same time. They guys were waiting him to turn off the engine, lol.
I was surprised, that no one of the Ferrari team dared to move to the scale. I mean...if the driver is supposed to switch off the engine and not to go of the scale on his own power...how should the car get off the weight bridge and back to the garage?
I had another look at the video:
- Scale was blocked by the cone. How should the car get on it in reasonable time?
- Vet running into the cone just cost more time.
- No signs of engine switch off or a sign (that according to the commentators should come from the Marschall in front) to switch it off.
- Marschall pushes with only one hand against the tire leading to the car rolling backwards.
- Getting off the scale did not look more "damaging" as getting on it.
The whole procedure looks weird and unnecessarily slow by all participants to me.
the old system was placed inside a garage like weigh scale area, but atleast now they have it on the pit entry itself, which saved a lot of time compared to old system
So it is a new system then? Did they brief all the drivers and stewards on the procedure?
This weighing just outside the pit entry has been in place from 2014 onwards (IIRC)
