2018 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 9-11 November

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At 10 seconds into the above video the steward is clearly showing a BRAKES ON sign to Vettel who is moving towards him!!

edit, the brakes on sign is only a printed sheet of paper though, but maybe that is the reason for the summons.

I do not wish for a penalty, just exploring the reason for the call to the stewards
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When was auto restart allowed after switch off procedure ?

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falonso81 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:42
Hamilton will likely get away with something a lot more serious than the incident Vettel was penalised in Austria, and he did block 2 drivers today.
Srtokin was not on a hot lab.. you guys know that right?

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falonso81 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:42
Hamilton will likely get away with something a lot more serious than the incident Vettel was penalised in Austria, and he did block 2 drivers today.
On what grounds do you state this, what evidence??
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siskue2005 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:35
GrandAxe wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:32
nevill3 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:20


But if they did that the teams may try to run underweight to gain an advantage, the teams cannot be trusted
Yes, but they can use pressure sensors at the pit exit (and entry) to weigh every car as they go through, instead of the present clonky system that can put a driver/team at unfair disadvantage.
the cars need to be stationary to get correct weight, cannot measure accurately something which is moving
There's Weigh in Motion systems that are quick and accurate, the FIA just chose to do things in the most clonky and obtrusive manner.

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Juzh wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:11
It was quite obvious mercedes is AT LEAST LEVEL WITH FERRARI if not ahead during qualifying.
Cars are level, drivers aren't it seems.
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"Srtokin was not on a hot lab.. you guys know that right?"

Yes, but still put in a pretty grave spot by Ham IMHO.

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This error is totally on Ferrari I think. There should be some kind of mechanism for the driver to alert the team; they will drop what they're doing and rush to the weighbridge. But as noted, the team just stood in the pitbox while Vettel was on the weighbridge. That to me suggests the team hasn't pre-planned for this scenario.

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falonso81 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:42
Hamilton will likely get away with something a lot more serious than the incident Vettel was penalised in Austria, and he did block 2 drivers today.
and who did he impied? or to put it simply which dirver lost time in their qualigying lap due to Lewis?
Sirotkin was on out lap just like Lewis....Kimi was caught on a straight and no time was lost for either party.
Where as in Austria Sainz lost a lap due to Vettel's move

Vettel will also get away with it as the FIA knows the gravity of the situation and no action will be taken

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GrandAxe wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:48

There's Weigh in Motion systems that are quick and accurate, the FIA just chose to do things in the most clonky and obtrusive manner.
What is the accuracy of these systems though? I'll bet the FIA's stationary system is more accurate.

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GrandAxe wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:32


Yes, but they can use pressure sensors at the pit exit (and entry) to weigh every car as they go through, instead of the present clonky system that can put a driver/team at unfair disadvantage.
Only if they make each car stop each time. Even at pit lane speed, the cars generate some downforce.
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GrandAxe wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:48
siskue2005 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:35
GrandAxe wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:32


Yes, but they can use pressure sensors at the pit exit (and entry) to weigh every car as they go through, instead of the present clonky system that can put a driver/team at unfair disadvantage.
the cars need to be stationary to get correct weight, cannot measure accurately something which is moving
There's Weigh in Motion systems that are quick and accurate, the FIA just chose to do things in the most clonky and obtrusive manner.
do u know the sensitivity and specificity of these systems? yup pretty poor i guess .... so more accurate and reliable system should be used

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:45
falonso81 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:42
Hamilton will likely get away with something a lot more serious than the incident Vettel was penalised in Austria, and he did block 2 drivers today.
Srtokin was not on a hot lab.. you guys know that right?
So just because a driver is not on his hot lap you're allowed to rapidly steer into his way when he's approaching with significantly higher velocity on the ideal line? If yes, this rule needs to be checked.

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LM10 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:54
foxmulder_ms wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:45
falonso81 wrote:
10 Nov 2018, 20:42
Hamilton will likely get away with something a lot more serious than the incident Vettel was penalised in Austria, and he did block 2 drivers today.
Srtokin was not on a hot lab.. you guys know that right?
So just because a driver is not on his hot lap you're allowed to rapidly steer into his way when he's approaching with significantly higher velocity on the ideal line? If yes, this rule needs to be checked.
Oh so now Lewis steered deliberately into sirotkin's path? why was sirotkin running so fast on his out lap? he was trying to get ahead of Lewis hence the speed differential and Lewis only saw him last minute hence the incident........ and neither driver lost any time on that particular lap

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Vettel has been called to answer two specific queries..... one of which is

12.1.1.i Failure to follow the instructions of the relevant
officials for the safe and orderly conduct of the Event.
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