14th and at the time he was over 2 seconds a lap faster than the 3 cars in front of him and 8 seconds behind them.
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Lewis Hamilton has won the Brazilian Grand Prix, but it wasn't until Verstappen spun due to contact with a backmarker that he took the lead to victory. Verstappen ended a furious second, narrowly ahead of Raikkonen and Ricciardo.
14th and at the time he was over 2 seconds a lap faster than the 3 cars in front of him and 8 seconds behind them.
You need to think more long term. Rain was a strong possibility, and with that comes a high probability of a safety car and people timing their pitstops incorrectly, or just plain old crashing. He could have easily found himself in 7th, 8th, or 9th if the rain arrived.
This is probably the grey area: do the same rules apply on lapped cars unlapping themselves? Or does the unlapping have to happen with absolutely no hindrance to the other car? This is not clearly defined, and should be clearly defined for future reference.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 00:32He just came out of the pits, and was much faster than Max, because he was on brand new SS. He is 100% entitled to pass the leader and unlap himself. Ocon had like 3/4ths of his car along side Max entering Turn 2, and max left him zero room that's why they collided.
I think it will give him perspective. Are you saying a race ban would have given him less contempt towards the FIA then being confronted of the consequences of violence? Also, you are taking his actions and words too much at face value. He was clearly still in the red mist. He should have shown have restraint, he should not have pushed Ocon, but let's wait with making assumptions out of this particular instance until he atleast calmed down. You are quick to act judgemental over his personality here.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 00:16You are assuming that the person serving the time has the traits to learn from and be effected by such events. Imo, he will serve his time, and probably have even more contempt for the FIA, stewards, and other drivers than he currently displays.
This quote from Max screams narcissistic personality.
https://www.racefans.net/2018/11/11/ver ... -a-winner/
His team principle should be keeping him away from the press and sitting him down and telling him to shut his mouth before he makes it any worse. Instead, Horner is all but justifying max's actions.“I don’t care what those people say,” said Verstappen. “I’m a winner. You get taken out like that, to get a stupid response from his side as well, I was not happy about that.”
Yeah as I pointed out a few mins ago. He can't let a backmarker through, as he will feel he's losing ?? What a joke. Max heading the same was as Seb, he's just not won anything and he's already heading for the scrap heap. Another Marko monster out of control
Thanks for this Turbo, shows some perspective. Seems I am alone here apparently, but I wouldn't have shown the same restraint as Verstappen today I believe. I'm truly upset Haha, what a sport. Come on people, if you have Hamilton on your tail for the race win you don't want to get sidetracked by Ocon as race leader, there's no sense letting him by, I don't think max for a moment thought he would really try (badly) to unlap himself too.turbof1 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 00:44This is probably the grey area: do the same rules apply on lapped cars unlapping themselves? Or does the unlapping have to happen with absolutely no hindrance to the other car? This is not clearly defined, and should be clearly defined for future reference.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 00:32He just came out of the pits, and was much faster than Max, because he was on brand new SS. He is 100% entitled to pass the leader and unlap himself. Ocon had like 3/4ths of his car along side Max entering Turn 2, and max left him zero room that's why they collided.
Oh for the record, I dug up this jewel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTBHrMqLD3o
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/feat ... uzuka.html
I think it will give him perspective. Are you saying a race ban would have given him less contempt towards the FIA then being confronted of the consequences of violence? Also, you are taking his actions and words too much at face value. He was clearly still in the red mist. He should have shown have restraint, he should not have pushed Ocon, but let's wait with making assumptions out of this particular instance until he atleast calmed down. You are quick to act judgemental over his personality here.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 00:16You are assuming that the person serving the time has the traits to learn from and be effected by such events. Imo, he will serve his time, and probably have even more contempt for the FIA, stewards, and other drivers than he currently displays.
This quote from Max screams narcissistic personality.
https://www.racefans.net/2018/11/11/ver ... -a-winner/
His team principle should be keeping him away from the press and sitting him down and telling him to shut his mouth before he makes it any worse. Instead, Horner is all but justifying max's actions.“I don’t care what those people say,” said Verstappen. “I’m a winner. You get taken out like that, to get a stupid response from his side as well, I was not happy about that.”
well just wait and see for next year, maybe redbull/honda give max a decent car like merc/ferNathanOlder wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 00:58Yeah as I pointed out a few mins ago. He can't let a backmarker through, as he will feel he's losing ?? What a joke. Max heading the same was as Seb, he's just not won anything and he's already heading for the scrap heap. Another Marko monster out of control
Your thinking is flawed, Ocon would have gotten a blue flag if Max would reclose the gap later on. No reason not to let Ocon pass.TwanV wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 01:02
Thanks for this Turbo, shows some perspective. Seems I am alone here apparently, but I wouldn't have shown the same restraint as Verstappen today I believe. I'm truly upset Haha, what a sport. Come on people, if you have Hamilton on your tail for the race win you don't want to get sidetracked by Ocon as race leader, there's no sense letting him by, I don't think max for a moment thought he would really try (badly) to unlap himself too.
