Seems my post in response to this magically vanished, but The fact that Max did what he did half a race later is worse!
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Lewis Hamilton has won the Brazilian Grand Prix, but it wasn't until Verstappen spun due to contact with a backmarker that he took the lead to victory. Verstappen ended a furious second, narrowly ahead of Raikkonen and Ricciardo.
Seems my post in response to this magically vanished, but The fact that Max did what he did half a race later is worse!
I said Max was 2-3 seconds faster in the laps (look plural) before the incident and 0.5-1 second after the incident, for describing the complete race and the unnecessary action of Ocon. As I explained in the comments before, during the rounds after Ocon pitstop the times were different because of the DRS gains and the pushing of Ocon (which would hurt his overall race).Wynters wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 17:41As I pointed out, I'm basing my comments on the video that was linked earlier in the thread so you can actually see where I'm taking my reference from.DutchDopey wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 16:35Hamilton was 2 seconds behind Max. Ocon came in between them a little closer to Max than Ham, you do the math. So you are just making things up...
I said...What am I making up?Wynters wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 16:14What was the gap to Max when he exited the pits (which was after the second DRS zone so Max had most of a lap to pull away at '2-3 seconds a lap')? It's difficult to tell using the video but I believe it was more than a second at the end of S2 of that first lap. However, it's probably irrelevant...
Could you please link the evidence that confirms what you are saying and that invalidates my supposition? It would be very useful as we could then use it as a basis to confirm your position that Verstappen was '2-3 seconds faster' on that lap. The gap to Hamilton from Verstappen was almost exactly 2 seconds at the start of lap 42 but can you show where Ocon slotted in between Max and Lewis? This is especially important because Ocon doesn't rejoin until almost the end of S1 and, whilst the gap fluctuates, Hamilton lost over half a second to Verstappen by the end of this lap. It's also worth bearing in mind that even if Ocon comes out within a second of Verstappen, he doesn't get DRS until into Sector 3 when he must still be within a second. There is no "DRS advantage" to gain "immediately".
Based on the FOM feed to Sky during the race:-
At the start of lap 42: Hamilton was +2.0 to Max and Ocon was only +19.5 behind tenth (when he exited the pits and was picked up by the timing screen).
At the start of lap 43: Hamilton was +2.5 to Max and Ocon was only +18.4 behind tenth.
At the start of lap 44: Hamilton was +2.8 to Max and Ocon was only +17.0 behind tenth.
Hamilton's time has no relevance by lap 44 but I've included it for completeness.
he immediately after turn 13 got DRS. I can see his DRS getting enabled in the replay data in the app. So there was no gap coming out of the pits like you said.ALso, the team messed up by not telling Max to just let Ocon by once they knew he was catching. They should have said "you're not racing him, don't fight him, just let him go". So a failure by them leads them to defend the driver to the hilt. Better would have been to say "we messed up" and behaved like gentlemen. Sadly, that is not the Horner/Marko way.
Your comment here cast serious doubt on your claim of knowing about sportsmanship.
Max pushing Ocon might be considered poor sportsmanship, but at least it was off the track out of the car.
This is where your bias/red mist/whatever is showing through. He wasn't racing max, he was unlapping himself so he could race the cars not that far in-front of max.
That hardly qualifies as a bar on being a complete driver.
To be honest, it looks like Max is giving the racing line to Ocon in the way that a back marker might - "here you are, get on with it". Ocon was steaming past Max up until the point that Max decided to go "elbows outs".
That's interesting, I was just thinking the same thing about your and a few others postings!
Bias toward who? The driver ahead in the apex, yes. I believe the FIA have this bias as well, but it's called a regulation.dans79 wrote: ↑12 Nov 2018, 18:27Your comment here cast serious doubt on your claim of knowing about sportsmanship.Max pushing Ocon might be considered poor sportsmanship, but at least it was off the track out of the car.
This is where your bias/red mist/whatever is showing through. He wasn't racing max, he was unlapping himself so he could race the cars not that far in-front of max.
