2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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dxpetrov wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:47
Gasly was almost dead last after first couple of laps. Complete disgrace.
I think Hungary will be Gasly's last race as a Redbull driver. May be he has the speed to be close to Max sometimes but he's nowhere near mental skills to be a good F1 driver. Actually after today's race I think that Stroll is better than him.

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Stunning performance and now it really seams a lot of things are coming together. Whatever they have done to the chassis (I mean, there haven't been very significant obvious / visual type of changes) and Honda as well really got on top of their issues. But the last part or a very integral part is the driver. You have to put your head down in conditions like that and keep cool. (We also have a comparison from the other side of the garage...there is the machinery to achieve great results, but as wee see there is a biiiiiig room for improvement. A nice guy, but does he deserve to be in a top team? I more and more doubt that).

PS: I don't understand people seeing or creating issues with the Honda branding, where there isn't any.

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Jaisonas wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:50
Fantastic race and fantastic result for both redbull/honda teams. Nevertheless it really seems that software currently is honda's Achilles heel. If they manage to solve those issues, they may be pushing for a fight for driver's championship.
Judging by the interviews of Marko and Tanabe san, these are not software problems. They tried to squeeze more power out of the PU, but the engine just goes into safe mode and they returned to the previous mode. This indicates a very good PU security system. They are looking for limits to use the motor as much as possible.

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KelsO wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 21:02
Jaisonas wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:50
Fantastic race and fantastic result for both redbull/honda teams. Nevertheless it really seems that software currently is honda's Achilles heel. If they manage to solve those issues, they may be pushing for a fight for driver's championship.
Judging by the interviews of Marko and Tanabe san, these are not software problems. They tried to squeeze more power out of the PU, but the engine just goes into safe mode and they returned to the previous mode. This indicates a very good PU security system. They are looking for limits to use the motor as much as possible.
Not the qualifying thing, little things like the turbo lag, or the drivability out of the grid on the start of the race, where both Max and Pierre just didnt go anywhere with all that wheelspin

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IvailoStefanovBG wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:56
dxpetrov wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:47
Gasly was almost dead last after first couple of laps. Complete disgrace.
I think Hungary will be Gasly's last race as a Redbull driver. May be he has the speed to be close to Max sometimes but he's nowhere near mental skills to be a good F1 driver. Actually after today's race I think that Stroll is better than him.
It certainly looks that way and I agree with your verdict. I too expected Gasly to be close in qualy. But his mental attitude and racecraft have been below par.

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Jaisonas wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 21:20
Not the qualifying thing, little things like the turbo lag, or the drivability out of the grid on the start of the race, where both Max and Pierre just didnt go anywhere with all that wheelspin
No I do not agree. The start was poor, but not because of a Honda or a turbo lag or poor handling. See the start, the entire right part of the field started badly, it is obvious that the odd part of the field had much more grip.

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Jaisonas wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 21:20
KelsO wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 21:02
Jaisonas wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:50
Fantastic race and fantastic result for both redbull/honda teams. Nevertheless it really seems that software currently is honda's Achilles heel. If they manage to solve those issues, they may be pushing for a fight for driver's championship.
Judging by the interviews of Marko and Tanabe san, these are not software problems. They tried to squeeze more power out of the PU, but the engine just goes into safe mode and they returned to the previous mode. This indicates a very good PU security system. They are looking for limits to use the motor as much as possible.
Not the qualifying thing, little things like the turbo lag, or the drivability out of the grid on the start of the race, where both Max and Pierre just didnt go anywhere with all that wheelspin
Turbo lag was discovered after RBR made improvements to the chasis and max could get on the accelerator earlier. As the car develops these issues will surface that needs adaptation but they are not systemic. Today was to little grip that caused wheel spin and Austria was too much that caused the PU bog.

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godlameroso wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 19:30
Sayeman wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 18:40
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28 Jul 2019, 18:21


That should be an interesting stat and should entail some nostalgia with legendary names. Seeing Kvyat helmet on the on board with the giant Honda logo looked so awesome. Wished RBR did the same.
Agreed. Feels like Aston Martin is unfairly hogging all the screentime from Honda. Car manufacturers should not sponsor another team. Honda logo should be on max's visor. Engine is the heart of a car not sponsors.
We all know that these wins are powered by Honda, Renault knows it too.
Yup and if someone forgets we have Max Verstappen mentioning Honda and pointing to the Honda logo for hundreds of millions of viewers.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

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honda_fun wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 19:41
https://streamable.com/87p0f
verstappen and redbull team is great!!
Gasly not in the picture unlike Ric always was. I think Marko already told him he is gone.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Datco wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 22:25
Jaisonas wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 21:20
KelsO wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 21:02


Judging by the interviews of Marko and Tanabe san, these are not software problems. They tried to squeeze more power out of the PU, but the engine just goes into safe mode and they returned to the previous mode. This indicates a very good PU security system. They are looking for limits to use the motor as much as possible.
Not the qualifying thing, little things like the turbo lag, or the drivability out of the grid on the start of the race, where both Max and Pierre just didnt go anywhere with all that wheelspin
Turbo lag was discovered after RBR made improvements to the chasis and max could get on the accelerator earlier. As the car develops these issues will surface that needs adaptation but they are not systemic. Today was to little grip that caused wheel spin and Austria was too much that caused the PU bog.
These things can largely be solved by simulation? Now that there have been a few races the virtual chassis should be more refined and the engineers can develop new mapping strategies for the turbo.
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Pyrone89 wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 23:07
honda_fun wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 19:41
https://streamable.com/87p0f
verstappen and redbull team is great!!
Gasly not in the picture unlike Ric always was. I think Marko already told him he is gone.
Ric skipped most of them too. Especially when he was having the “should have been me” mindset moments. Max was on there in malaisia 2017 though.

Gasly hasn’t been on Any of the Max pictures. But in all fairness, in Austria he was still driving Ofcourse.

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Bill wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 20:17
In Austria Mercedes had cooling issues, in silverstone Max was stuck behind Ferrari for the whole race before seb punted him out and in Germany Lewis binned it before putting on slicks . So the the pace between Redbull and Mercedes is yet to revealed in a straight shoot out
Max can follow Bottas with the same trye,but once max was ahead,Bottas couldnt do the same thing,so at least we can say Max was faster than one Mercedes this race.Personally i think he can match Lewis's pace if he was not stuck behind Bottas. Anyway,this is a special race,so difficult conditions,so its hard to draw the conclusion.

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For me the most impressive thing is the way the engine has delivered over the last couple of races. It's been in the car since France and has been in crazy battles in Austria, Silverstone, using higher modes for long periods and still going strong. Zero engine related DNF's this season, no grid penalties (for Red Bull) in the first half of the season. Imagine if Red Bull had done a better job from March. We'd be talking about Max fighting for the title
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Max is just 61 points short from Hamilton....Just imagine if we have greatest comeback in history of F1 this year....😁.

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IvailoStefanovBG wrote:Max is just 61 points short from Hamilton....Just imagine if we have greatest comeback in history of F1 this year.....
That's how Hamilton got his reputation. Coming from behind in certain championships in the past.
Always find the gap then use it.