2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[NL_Fer]

Nah Kvyat was promoted to early, only because Vettel left. He was chosen for his raw speed, but already than they knew he was not ready.

[Capharol]

Nah Kvyat was promoted to early, only because Vettel left. He was chosen for his raw speed, but already than they knew he was not ready.

I hope you right but as said i am afraid it will turn out to be painfull, unless Kvyat really puts himself as a #2 driver and is fully committed to it, but that ain't Kvyats style

[j.yank]

There are many experienced F1 pilots in Indy Car, that could fit perfectly in Red Bull or Toro Rosso, including Japanase. But I see that for this season Marko would preffer not to create additional personal dramas, and this is wise call.

[Pyrone89]

There are many experienced F1 pilots in Indy Car, that could fit perfectly in Red Bull or Toro Rosso, including Japanase. But I see that for this season Marko would preffer not to create additional personal dramas, and this is wise call.

IndyCar level is far below F1 (every series is, it is called the pinaccle for a reason) level for them to be considered. It is full of people who were hardly good enough for F1 midfield (Rossi, Ericsson, Sato) or even F2 (Ferrucci was a backmarker in F2, Rosenqvist was not good enough to even get in F2) that can suddenly drive near or even at the absolute front in IndyCar. Only Rossi, Dixon (but too old), Newgarden or Pagenaud could maybe be a decent driver for Haas, Williams level teams. But not for anythimg higher than that like TR let alone RBR going up against the currently best performing racing driver in the world.

[j.yank]

There are many experienced F1 pilots in Indy Car, that could fit perfectly in Red Bull or Toro Rosso, including Japanase. But I see that for this season Marko would preffer not to create additional personal dramas, and this is wise call.

IndyCar level is far below F1 (every series is, it is called the pinaccle for a reason) level for them to be considered. It is full of people who were hardly good enough for F1 midfield (Rossi, Ericsson, Sato) or even F2 (Ferrucci was a backmarker in F2, Rosenqvist was not good enough to even get in F2) that can suddenly drive near or even at the absolute front in IndyCar. Only Rossi, Dixon (but too old), Newgarden or Pagenaud could maybe be a decent driver for Haas, Williams level teams. But not for anythimg higher than that like TR let alone RBR going up against the currently best performing racing driver in the world.

Actually, there are many drivers that were forced out form F1 not because of their skills, but for financial reasons - to leave place for paid drivers like Perez or Stroll. I am not sure that the level there is far below F1. You should possess a lot of skills and guts to compete there nonstop during the race, while in the current F1 such battles wheel to wheel on the track are rare during the course of the race.

[Sieper]

Agree. In an ideal world only the real best 22 or so drivers should be in F1. But money, the politics of money and just plain timing etc. Get in the way of that. Plus, how do you judge the level of a driver. Rossi seems top level, but to me Wehrlein was too. Momentum and mental attitude also come in to play. I am sure we have never seen a whole lot of fantastic drivers.

[Pyrone89]

Agree. In an ideal world only the real best 22 or so drivers should be in F1. But money, the politics of money and just plain timing etc. Get in the way of that. Plus, how do you judge the level of a driver. Rossi seems top level, but to me Wehrlein was too. Momentum and mental attitude also come in to play. I am sure we have never seen a whole lot of fantastic drivers.

You can compare them with other drivers and therefore get a pretty decent picture of the field. For example Rosenqvist was never a real star in Europe, neither was Ferrucci, Sato, Franchitti or Dixon or even Rossi, yet in the US series they are suddenly a front runner, that suggest something about the level of competition. Just like it is more prestigious to have won a F3 championship in the 2014 field vs the 2015 field. Do you really think non-pay driver F1 teams with their massive budgets (also for saleries) and data + talent scouts would not snap up an IndyCar driver if it would make them ? And those drivers would take that chance because like it or not F1 is still the highest there is in racing in the world. We might make fun of Stroll here by our high F1/European racing standards but I am actually quite he would be at least a regular podium contender in IndyCar based on the drivers there and their Only exceptions ever were Montoya and Villeneuve

Not to mention what happens when an actual top F1 driver goes over there and has to learn a complete new car, team, track and racing discipline (oval racing) in only a couple of track days: he immediately challenges for the win in the most prestigious race of America (Indy500) until the engine exploded

[shingles]

Agree. In an ideal world only the real best 22 or so drivers should be in F1. But money, the politics of money and just plain timing etc. Get in the way of that. Plus, how do you judge the level of a driver. Rossi seems top level, but to me Wehrlein was too. Momentum and mental attitude also come in to play. I am sure we have never seen a whole lot of fantastic drivers.

You can compare them with other drivers and therefore get a pretty decent picture of the field. For example Rosenqvist was never a real star in Europe, neither was Ferrucci, Sato, Franchitti or Dixon or even Rossi, yet in the US series they are suddenly a front runner, that suggest something about the level of competition. Just like it is more prestigious to have won a F3 championship in the 2014 field vs the 2015 field. Do you really think non-pay driver F1 teams with their massive budgets (also for saleries) and data + talent scouts would not snap up an IndyCar driver if it would make them ? And those drivers would take that chance because like it or not F1 is still the highest there is in racing in the world. We might make fun of Stroll here by our high F1/European racing standards but I am actually quite he would be at least a regular podium contender in IndyCar based on the drivers there and their Only exceptions ever were Montoya and Villeneuve

Not to mention what happens when an actual top F1 driver goes over there and has to learn a complete new car, team, track and racing discipline (oval racing) in only a couple of track days: he immediately challenges for the win in the most prestigious race of America (Indy500) until the engine exploded

I think you underestimate the difficulty in driving an Indycar... Alonso is a special talent. Let's not use him as the bar here.

[Pyrone89]

Agree. In an ideal world only the real best 22 or so drivers should be in F1. But money, the politics of money and just plain timing etc. Get in the way of that. Plus, how do you judge the level of a driver. Rossi seems top level, but to me Wehrlein was too. Momentum and mental attitude also come in to play. I am sure we have never seen a whole lot of fantastic drivers.

You can compare them with other drivers and therefore get a pretty decent picture of the field. For example Rosenqvist was never a real star in Europe, neither was Ferrucci, Sato, Franchitti or Dixon or even Rossi, yet in the US series they are suddenly a front runner, that suggest something about the level of competition. Just like it is more prestigious to have won a F3 championship in the 2014 field vs the 2015 field. Do you really think non-pay driver F1 teams with their massive budgets (also for saleries) and data + talent scouts would not snap up an IndyCar driver if it would make them ? And those drivers would take that chance because like it or not F1 is still the highest there is in racing in the world. We might make fun of Stroll here by our high F1/European racing standards but I am actually quite he would be at least a regular podium contender in IndyCar based on the drivers there and their Only exceptions ever were Montoya and Villeneuve

Not to mention what happens when an actual top F1 driver goes over there and has to learn a complete new car, team, track and racing discipline (oval racing) in only a couple of track days: he immediately challenges for the win in the most prestigious race of America (Indy500) until the engine exploded

I think you underestimate the difficulty in driving an Indycar... Alonso is a special talent. Let's not use him as the bar here.

I wasnt, see all the other examples. Not sayimg it is easy to drive ImdyCar, saying the level of drivers in F1 is simply way higher on average,

[ispano6]

Just swap Kvyat and Gasly.

Kvyat can prove he has really matured and if he can match Verstappen’ speed. He was faster than Ric before.

Gasly gets second chance to prove he can stil develop himself at STR.

Albon needs more time to develop at STR.

No drama.

If Verstappen decides to go, they can take Vettel or Ricciardo.

kvyat is maybe solid but i am afraid he will fall in to his old habits..... wanting to prove he is upto Max and start being torpedo again.... but he will be the first option for RB

Don't underestimate nico..max maybe will face hard times racing him!

oh believe me i don't underestimate Nico, but he ain't a match for Max

And what gives you the credentials to say Kvyat will return to his old ways.

[SF Engineer]

The window has passed, so it’s a moot point, but Rosenqvist has what it takes to have warranted a shot in the program. Too bad for him (and F1) that he never fully blossomed until he was older than others. This happens sometimes in sport.

Anyway looking forward to what should be another competitive weekend. It would be nice to get ahead of Ferrari going into the break.

[j.yank]

Not to mention what happens when an actual top F1 driver goes over there and has to learn a complete new car, team, track and racing discipline (oval racing) in only a couple of track days: he immediately challenges for the win in the most prestigious race of America (Indy500) until the engine exploded

This is because standardization of IndyCar - all teams and drivers have somewhat the same technical base, and the difference is made by their driving skills and race management. In F1 you should be very lucky to take a seat in top team that has significant resources for development. In addition to this, the F1 teams have very different policies to their drivers. Look what happen to Raikonen at example. He is world champion but when he is a second driver in the team or when he moved to middle pack team like Alfa, his talent became invisible. So, you cannot claim that former F1 drivers in IndyCar are at lower level. Maybe we have never seen their true potential in F1 because they have not been driven for top teams as leading pilots.

[mclaren113]

Just swap Kvyat and Gasly.

Kvyat can prove he has really matured and if he can match Verstappen’ speed. He was faster than Ric before.

Gasly gets second chance to prove he can stil develop himself at STR.

Albon needs more time to develop at STR.

No drama.

If Verstappen decides to go, they can take Vettel or Ricciardo.

kvyat is maybe solid but i am afraid he will fall in to his old habits..... wanting to prove he is upto Max and start being torpedo again.... but he will be the first option for RB

Don't underestimate nico..max maybe will face hard times racing him!

oh believe me i don't underestimate Nico, but he ain't a match for Max

Well Max wasn't a match for Ric too

[loner]

exxonmobil
"We would be satisfied if we could find a gain between one tenth and one and a half tenth before the end of this season."
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/42638/ex ... -2018.html

[Espresso]

Just swap Kvyat and Gasly.

Kvyat can prove he has really matured and if he can match Verstappen’ speed. He was faster than Ric before.

Gasly gets second chance to prove he can stil develop himself at STR.

Albon needs more time to develop at STR.

No drama.

If Verstappen decides to go, they can take Vettel or Ricciardo.

kvyat is maybe solid but i am afraid he will fall in to his old habits..... wanting to prove he is upto Max and start being torpedo again.... but he will be the first option for RB

Don't underestimate nico..max maybe will face hard times racing him!

oh believe me i don't underestimate Nico, but he ain't a match for Max

Well Max wasn't a match for Ric too

Your comment can be read in two ways. I'll read it in the way you didn't ment to do it..

Guess you're right not a match. Max outperformed Ric... .

So Ric went for the second best thing to do. Monetize his career.
To be fair not the biggest pile offered by MCL, but the second biggest pile (and biggest piles of dreams) offered by Abiteboul big blue eyes.....