2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 17:56
Big Tea wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 17:24
Marti_EF3 wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 17:18


Yeah, I'm disappointed because the race seemed more or less under control. And then, Pirelli striked again. But well, maybe I though we were more closer to Merc than it is right now.

Now we will've to wait until Spa, and see If we can keep the pace. We need the Spec 4 to deliver, and then I think we should be able to fight on the same level. Unfortunately we can't hold Hamilton right now :(
Come on! Imagine that race without the tyre dramas?

Give them their due, that was a fantastic race, and not just for the two leaders.
I have slagged the tyres, but it was the difference between an edge of the seat race and a procession today
Yeah I know. It was an awesome race! But well, maybe I was expecting we could be a little better on race pace. But Merc have something more on the car and had the advantage on the strategy today. But we can expect an excitind 2nd half of the season =D>
Bring on part two, I can't wait. Not what I usually say, but I hope no one finds a silver bullet during the shutdown.
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I think red bull needs to up their simulation game considerably. That's why Merc won today. Sure it's failed them a few times in the past but most of the time it's why they win.

I think they should of pitted with 15 laps to go while Hamilton was still in traffic and they still had a 15 second gap. Thrown on some soft tires and made up the 5 seconds of so to Hamilton then have about 5 laps left to battle with him

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The is no substitute for pace great strategy works with great pace

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Maplesoup wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 18:06
I think they should of pitted with 15 laps to go while Hamilton was still in traffic and they still had a 15 second gap. Thrown on some soft tires and made up the 5 seconds of so to Hamilton then have about 5 laps left to battle with him
Possibly! I had considered that too.

Oh well. Mercedes and Red Bull would likely have taken each other's decisions if positions were reversed. They were the most logical racing decisions to take.

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No it was the right strategy. Max was the whole race defending and then you dont have a lot of options. He didnt have the pace to pull a gap in clear air. The RB15 still not good enough.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
Big Tea wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 17:24
Marti_EF3 wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 17:18
Yeah, I'm disappointed because the race seemed more or less under control. And then, Pirelli striked again. But well, maybe I though we were more closer to Merc than it is right now.

Now we will've to wait until Spa, and see If we can keep the pace. We need the Spec 4 to deliver, and then I think we should be able to fight on the same level. Unfortunately we can't hold Hamilton right now :(
Come on! Imagine that race without the tyre dramas?

Give them their due, that was a fantastic race, and not just for the two leaders.
I have slagged the tyres, but it was the difference between an edge of the seat race and a procession today
Yeah I know. It was an awesome race! But well, maybe I was expecting we could be a little better on race pace. But Merc have something more on the car and had the advantage on the strategy today. But we can expect an excitind 2nd half of the season =D>
I think you are way too hard on RBR. Remember Max was on a set of Hards in which he already had to defend a few laps against Hamilton. And those hards were already 6 laps older. On the same tires Max was able to defend against Hamilton just fine.

This has been an incredible progression in the season, it really has been.

At the end it all came down to a gamble that paid off.

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Maplesoup wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 18:06
I think red bull needs to up their simulation game considerably. That's why Merc won today. Sure it's failed them a few times in the past but most of the time it's why they win.

I think they should of pitted with 15 laps to go while Hamilton was still in traffic and they still had a 15 second gap. Thrown on some soft tires and made up the 5 seconds of so to Hamilton then have about 5 laps left to battle with him
An opportunity, maybe. But would Max be able to overtake Lewis back? Even with way more fresher tyres Hamilton's pass against Verstappen didn't look so easy. Besides Max had left only used Soft sets.

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I'm angry. Why the hell don't they change Gasly. Max needs a teammate. If Gasly did not fail the qualification, did not fail the race and would be ahead of the Ferrari, Hamilton would first have to overtake him and only then Max. Gasly replacement is a must. Call Kvyat, Albona, call the hell Alonso, if necessary. Red Bull needs to make this choice or forget about the fight for the championship.
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The only thing RBR could have done was preempt the undercut. Once it happened (and how good Lewis was) it was too late. They could perhaps have pushed harder on the hards (even harder still) in the second stint and then make the undercut themselves. The Merc would have followed. Maybe then they could have stayed ahead. But even that would have been very hard.

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Considering how much Red Bull has asked Honda to consider taking more risk, today seemed like unfamiliar territory to the strategists to defend a pole to win. With the hottest driver in F1 who is arguably best when chasing, I agree that the risk of taking the softs 15 laps to the end would have given Max a great chance at taking the lead back. Have faith in Max!

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ispano6 wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:13
Considering how much Red Bull has asked Honda to consider taking more risk, today seemed like unfamiliar territory to the strategists to defend a pole to win. With the hottest driver in F1 who is arguably best when chasing, I agree that the risk of taking the softs 15 laps to the end would have given Max a great chance at taking the lead back. Have faith in Max!
True, now hope the Honda is not going to explode next time they turn it on after the stress of this race and Austria before + the forces put on it when travelling with Vettel Airline in England.
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i fail to understand why RBR will delay spec 4 for 5 days to debut it in Monza instead of Spa its not like they care about second in the champion with keeping Gasly any way.
race spec 3 in Singapore and thats it.. you have the life span of spec 4 sorted.
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:31
i fail to understand why RBR will delay spec 4 for 5 days to debut it in Monza instead of Spa its not like they care about second in the champion with keeping Gasly any way.
race spec 3 in Singapore and thats it.. you have the life span of spec 4 sorted.
1. Perhaps for Gasly they will do that to test the mapping. And with him they can take an extra engine penalty later on as he is so far back anyway.
2. Not for Max because it is his second ‘home’ race with the whole place basically being orange,
3. Easier to make up a back row start on Monza
4. Spa they have a very small chance of podium. Monza they are guaranteed 5th at best (Ferrari will win there, Mercedes also will be fast in their low downforce config)
5. In Singapore they will want to use the best engine as it is one of the remaining tracks where they have a shot for victory.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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lots of hypotheticals here
they couldn't care less about second in the championship for keeping Gasly , dare the circumstances and let the races rolling with no calculations.
3rd done and dusted.
para bellum.

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Besides the work Merc has put in to improve their grip, this GP also for the first time showed us another strength that has been hidden by their dominance. They also improved one of their previous seasons weakness. They can now also follow the car in front much more closely. At a track like Hungary, that is full of corners they were mighty impressive. If the roles were reversed I don't think Max would have been able to follow Lewis at that pace.