2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

[Restomaniac]

I’m just watching the replay and the time is stopped with 6’35 left on the clock with loads of time to do the normal checks and things that they normally have to rush due to the red flag. They then sit there looking at each other for 4’35.

There was no need whatsoever to wait until there is only 2’ left on the clock.

You're quite right, but what mad man would send your guys out first.

Maybe the two teams whose driver had no time at all?

But which one give a tow to the other, etc, etc.

[Holm86]

There should be a rule about a minimum time for a qualification lap, no matter if it's an outlap or warm up lap.

Should also put a stop for slow drivers messing up others fast laps

The rule already exist (at least for this GP https://www.fia.com/file/94110/download/28924) and funny to say but nobody has messed other fast lap in this case because they were all doing their out laps.
IMHO

Thank you, didn't know it already existed, but then that limit is too high IMO.

And the fact about destroying other drivers fast lap was not in this case, I mean in general. There are too many drivers driving slow during qualifying

[El Scorchio]

It was about his Q3 lap ... "benefit of the doubt" what a bunch of horseshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED4ajOaXYAEeuC0.jpg

One thing i never liked is the complete lack of transparency, they could easily make all the camera angles available in high res but they will never do that, so we're left with some blurry garbage and their word.

What a gutless statement. It’s basically saying that there is evidence but they thought they’d just ignore it in favour of a theoretical angle that doesn’t exist? And what sort of a result is ‘asking the driver and his team’ going to yield?

Absolute bottle job from the stewards. Another team’s driver would have been pulled up for that.

[Capharol]

It was about his Q3 lap ... "benefit of the doubt" what a bunch of horseshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED4ajOaXYAEeuC0.jpg

One thing i never liked is the complete lack of transparency, they could easily make all the camera angles available in high res but they will never do that, so we're left with some blurry garbage and their word.

What a gutless statement. It’s basically saying that there is evidence but they thought they’d just ignore it in favour of a theoretical angle that doesn’t exist? And what sort of a result is ‘asking the driver and his team’ going to yield?

Absolute bottle job from the stewards. Another team’s driver would have been pulled up for that.

if it was a none Ferrari they would have taken that time away .... 100% sure

[MtthsMlw]

It was about his Q3 lap ... "benefit of the doubt" what a bunch of horseshit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED4ajOaXYAEeuC0.jpg

One thing i never liked is the complete lack of transparency, they could easily make all the camera angles available in high res but they will never do that, so we're left with some blurry garbage and their word.

What a gutless statement. It’s basically saying that there is evidence but they thought they’d just ignore it in favour of a theoretical angle that doesn’t exist? And what sort of a result is ‘asking the driver and his team’ going to yield?

Absolute bottle job from the stewards. Another team’s driver would have been pulled up for that.

if it was a none Ferrari they would have taken that time away .... 100% sure

They couldn't prove with 100% certainty that he was over the line so no penalty is fine. But ofc it's just because he's Vettel and drives for Ferrari so he never gets a penalty or ever has got one.

[hollus]

OK, so this is the list of guys who were either first or second alongside first, going slower than usual, during that lap. Allegedly all of them were part of "the blockade". From https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... CSZQG.html and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvReEgDIzbM:

Hulkenberg.
Stroll.
Stroll and Sainz.
Hulkenberg and Sainz.
Sainz.
Vettel.
Vettel and Leclerc.
Vettel.
Vettel and Sainz.
Sainz.

So more than half of the pack.

[Capharol]

What a gutless statement. It’s basically saying that there is evidence but they thought they’d just ignore it in favour of a theoretical angle that doesn’t exist? And what sort of a result is ‘asking the driver and his team’ going to yield?

Absolute bottle job from the stewards. Another team’s driver would have been pulled up for that.

if it was a none Ferrari they would have taken that time away .... 100% sure

They couldn't prove with 100% certainty that he was over the line so no penalty is fine. But ofc it's just because he's Vettel and drives for Ferrari so he never gets a penalty or ever has got one.

no because its a Ferrari at MONZA he didn't get that penalty or laptime deleted....

[RZS10]

I bet they took the onboard as the angle which may show that maybe there might be a slim chance of a possibility that theoretically, looking from an angle they don't have, the "wheel" could potentially just about graze the line slightly.

[zibby43]

No further action beyond reprimands for the rest of the drivers investigated.

[Capharol]

Reprimands for all 3 drivers

[Restomaniac]

OK, so this is the list of guys who were either first or second alongside first, going slower than usual, during that lap. Allegedly all of them were part of "the blockade". From https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... CSZQG.html and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvReEgDIzbM:

Hulkenberg.
Stroll.
Stroll and Sainz.
Hulkenberg and Sainz.
Sainz.
Vettel.
Vettel and Leclerc.
Vettel.
Vettel and Sainz.
Sainz.

So more than half of the pack.

Exactly.

[falonso81]

You guys talking about Vettel not getting a penalty, what about Bottas completing his qualy run under red flag and his time suddenly appears on the timesheets five minutes later. There is onboard footage clearly showing the red light before he crosses the finish line. If anything, he clearly didn't slow down through Parabolica, when there was flashing yellow.

[Jolle]

Next time someone types "mercedes tires", you can just reply "remember Monza '19?"

[Restomaniac]

No further action beyond reprimands for the rest of the drivers investigated.

In otherwords. ‘We have to be seen to be doing something but we have no bloody clue what to do’. If Hulkenberg, Stroll and Sainz were banged to rights then grid drops would be handed out as has happened numerous times before for qualifying blocking.

Maybe in future teams will learn to not be so bloody stupid!

[RZS10]

The reasoning behind Bottas keeping his Q3 lap
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14584 ... ag-counted

tl:dr
there's a delay between the call for the red flag and the timing/messaging system registering that - the session is not officially suspended until the official messaging system displays "red flag" - Bottas finished his lap within that delay.