2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Technically there was no red flag when Bottas crossed the line, it's how their systems work so at least there's no "interpretation" of anything - they should consider synchronizing the display of the red flag on the boards and the wheels with the actual suspension of the session, but then again ... it would be a safety issue then because they want the red flags to be up as quickly as possible - i guess the delay is tiny and the probability of a driver just finishing his lap within that tiny timeframe is extremely low anyways

edit: according to AMuS Masi said Bottas finished his lap 2 tenths before the red flag
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What a farce lol.
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Re: 2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

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Bottas for the second time sneaking within tolerances

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Does anyone have on boards (with radio) for the last attempt for any/all drivers?

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mzso wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:48
Does anyone have on boards (with radio) for the last attempt for any/all drivers?
i don't but i've seen a transcript in Dutch ..... let me put it this way .... I'm glad I am not an engineer during Q3 :lol:

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MtthsMlw wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 17:23
Ham onboard with radio
https://streamable.com/if280
via u/Aratho
Wait, all this time I thought HAM was the one who went after SAI, with BOT going later - but it was the other way around, so it was BOT who was slow after the chicane, reluctant to go past those ahead, with HAM then just moving ahead of him, ALBON and STROLL - hm, that means that apart from being slow to get out of the box (not quite his own doing), he might be one of the few that didn't actually go slowly on track.

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bosyber wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:01
MtthsMlw wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 17:23
Ham onboard with radio
https://streamable.com/if280
via u/Aratho
Wait, all this time I thought HAM was the one who went after SAI, with BOT going later - but it was the other way around, so it was BOT who was slow after the chicane, reluctant to go past those ahead, with HAM then just moving ahead of him, ALBON and STROLL - hm, that means that apart from being slow to get out of the box (not quite his own doing), he might be one of the few that didn't actually go slowly on track.
I think BOT was just trying to let others go, so he was directly in front of HAM maybe
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bosyber wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:01
MtthsMlw wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 17:23
Ham onboard with radio
https://streamable.com/if280
via u/Aratho
Wait, all this time I thought HAM was the one who went after SAI, with BOT going later - but it was the other way around, so it was BOT who was slow after the chicane, reluctant to go past those ahead, with HAM then just moving ahead of him, ALBON and STROLL - hm, that means that apart from being slow to get out of the box (not quite his own doing), he might be one of the few that didn't actually go slowly on track.
That was my thought too. Everyone else was holding back for the tow but Hamilton (who should've followed Bottas I believe for the tow) was more concerned with making it around to start the flying lap in time. He passed Bottas and then tried to pass Hulk before he got cut up, i think he tried again into parabolica but the something similar happened there too.

The FIA have made a right farce out of this with rubbish reprimands which mean nothing. As for the wording of the Vettel let off, that's just comical. Hopefully Sky Sports will have a little segment on it tomorrow in the pre-race show with slow-mo and maybe different camera angles on the Skypad. Having just seen the qualifying highlights posted by F1 on youtube (@2:09 onwards for anyone interested) it is hard to tell if there might be a couple of mm's on the white line at any given point. But to say in the FIA doc that they've seen video of him being all 4 off and then a different angle making it hard to tell then surely if they've seen video of him all 4 off then that should be a slam dunk?

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Lots of great discussion about the qualifying fiasco.

But . . . what does everyone think about the actual race happening tomorrow?

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Still in the future.

Merc win.

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zibby43 wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:16
Lots of great discussion about the qualifying fiasco.

But . . . what does everyone think about the actual race happening tomorrow?
Hamilton for the win.

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I’m inclined to think that as well, assuming nothing dramatic on the run down to the chicane from the start, though.

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zibby43 wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:16
Lots of great discussion about the qualifying fiasco.

But . . . what does everyone think about the actual race happening tomorrow?
Ham wins, Leclerc 2nd, Vettel 3rd, Bottas 4th, Verstappen 5th, Albon 6th

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El Scorchio wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:20
Oehrly wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:14
I guess the issue with the Vettel incident is that there are two options based on which to decide.
The tyre is on the line if
- it physically touches the line
- it, when viewed from straight above, blocks part of the view of the line

As the reglement does not specify (or does it?) which of those two is the valid interpretation for deciding in or out, the stewards decided on no penalty. I think that is sort of what they imply by the conflicting camera angles. If both versions of the interpretation give the same result, it is easy. If not, they have a problem.
I guess they might release a technical directive (can you do that for the sporting regs?) and change the rules as soon as they can, to mitigate this issue for the future.

For the rest of the pack and driving unnecessarily slow, the issue might be, where to draw the line. Everybody was sort of involved to a different degree.
Well I’d have thought that even anyone with an iota of sense in the rule making/stewarding setup should realise you’ll never get consistent aerial views at a perfect overhead angle to make these judgement calls based on the ‘view from above’ so it’s completely pointless if the decision is going to be based on a lack of conclusive footage from that angle. Bonkers.

Base it on footage you can obtain easily, like the broadcast or circuit cameras. If there’s an angle on any of them that shows a gap, then that should be that.
check this image - from your point of view, the pilot should have been black flagged for leaving track...
I'm no Vettel fan, but this was quite gray, I think stewards, just like in few instances previously this year, used the gray area in the rules to make the show go on, nothing more, and this case was quite mild compared to other decisions, it is not like he got a pole either, he is behind both mercs, pretty much where he would be in not the cockup with the Q3

image of the pilot leaving the track, according to some here anyway...
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FrukostScones wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 11:25
that will lead to the discussion of asphalt runoffs, track limits, gravel traps and enforcing the rules by the FIA.

the car ripped out the curb and by doing that got launched it looks to me...
And nothing changing. They should move past this asphalt runoff lunacy. Not nexessary go back to gravel, but something better than both.