Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

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One issue which often gets ignored is changing use patterns. We all do it - we drive to work in a car, on our own, and sit next to other cars that are single occupancy and going to the same places. Car sharing could easily half the number of miles driven at a stroke. Of course, we like our personal space which is why we drive one-up.

It's not an easy one to sort because of the social issues, but it could have huge benefits in overall emission cuts, traffic flow improvements (which means even fewer emissions as well as time saved) and reductions in individual running costs / expenditure.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 13:19
One issue which often gets ignored is changing use patterns. We all do it - we drive to work in a car, on our own, and sit next to other cars that are single occupancy and going to the same places. Car sharing could easily half the number of miles driven at a stroke. Of course, we like our personal space which is why we drive one-up.
You mean public transport right? If you dont, which i assume is the case, the paradox is that i drive my car as a single occupant (rather than the train) because i like my privacy and also the freedom it brings of deciding when, how and if.
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Phil wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 21:42
Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 13:19
One issue which often gets ignored is changing use patterns. We all do it - we drive to work in a car, on our own, and sit next to other cars that are single occupancy and going to the same places. Car sharing could easily half the number of miles driven at a stroke. Of course, we like our personal space which is why we drive one-up.
You mean public transport right? If you dont, which i assume is the case, the paradox is that i drive my car as a single occupant (rather than the train) because i like my privacy and also the freedom it brings of deciding when, how and if.
I don't necessarily mean public transport because as I said above, car sharing can do much to ease single occupancy travel where suitable. And as I also said, people don't do it because they like their own space.

But there are many people who go from point A (or close enough to it to be the same thing) to Point B (or close enough...) that car sharing can be effective. If two people live close by each other and work in the same building with the same work hours, then taking two individual occupancy cars is part of the problem. Sharing - and it needs to be people you can get along with etc. - can be an effective way to reduce costs, emissions etc., and improve traffic flow and local air quality.
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https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/statu ... wsrc%5Etfw

It's a movement! :o

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izzy wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 02:39
(anyone else watching the superbowl? :D )
Yep, boring 1st three quarters, but last quarter has been epic!
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Just_a_fan wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 00:05
Phil wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 21:42
Just_a_fan wrote:
02 Feb 2020, 13:19
One issue which often gets ignored is changing use patterns. We all do it - we drive to work in a car, on our own, and sit next to other cars that are single occupancy and going to the same places. Car sharing could easily half the number of miles driven at a stroke. Of course, we like our personal space which is why we drive one-up.
You mean public transport right? If you dont, which i assume is the case, the paradox is that i drive my car as a single occupant (rather than the train) because i like my privacy and also the freedom it brings of deciding when, how and if.
I don't necessarily mean public transport because as I said above, car sharing can do much to ease single occupancy travel where suitable. And as I also said, people don't do it because they like their own space.

But there are many people who go from point A (or close enough to it to be the same thing) to Point B (or close enough...) that car sharing can be effective. If two people live close by each other and work in the same building with the same work hours, then taking two individual occupancy cars is part of the problem. Sharing - and it needs to be people you can get along with etc. - can be an effective way to reduce costs, emissions etc., and improve traffic flow and local air quality.
I don´t think asking people to change their lifestyle is the way to go, technology must adapt to our needs, not the other way around

Car sharing obviously will help, and is very useful for many people, but many other will never take that route. Phil and myself are two examples, to me my own car (and bike) are just a form of freedom, and I will never renounce to any of them, no matter if they pollute or not. But I´m looking for sustainable options, if technology adapt I´ll be glad to follow

But people in power must allow it, because they´re effectively stopping it for around 4-5 decades now :shock: so petrol companies can continue with astronomical benefit numbers. Many people like myself would like using more sustainable options without renouncing to their own freedom, because both things are perfectly plausible.

Situation has reached a point where even a teenager knows how politicians have been manipulating our future for their own benefit, but technology reached a point where not even petrol companies can continue stopping progress (nowadays even a smal company can build an EV, and none can fight that), so they can´t stop it anymore. The only question now is the real cost of those decades of delay we all will pay for the benefit of a few #-o

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This Doom & Gloom Nonsense is just another Money making Scam...

Al Core predicted the North Pole to have disappeared by 2010... Now he's a Billionaire out of making BS Statements...

Only 2 things need to happen:

1. Stop Over-population... Yet not a word on the subject...

2. Plant Trees... At least this has started...

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mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
This Doom & Gloom Nonsense is just another Money making Scam...

Al Core predicted the North Pole to have disappeared by 2010... Now he's a Billionaire out of making BS Statements...

Only 2 things need to happen:

1. Stop Over-population... Yet not a word on the subject...

2. Plant Trees... At least this has started...
How, in a world where politicians can't agree on emissions targets, is population growth going go be controlled? Who will control it? How?

Planting trees isn't going to solve anything without big reductions in emissions in the first place.
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mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
This Doom & Gloom Nonsense is just another Money making Scam...

Al Core predicted the North Pole to have disappeared by 2010... Now he's a Billionaire out of making BS Statements...
Some people will always do the best... for their own wallet. But that's hardly an argument in any direction. Look at Trump (different direction, same purpose)

mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
1. Stop Over-population... Yet not a word on the subject...

2. Plant Trees... At least this has started...


If it was that easy...

Anycase overpopulation is just a problem in third world countries, no first world country share the problem, but the opposite, population going down.

I think as third world countries progress, the problem will disappear itself


But personal footprint is unsustainable if first world countries footprint is averaged to the whole planet, so we need to do a lot more than controlling over population and planting trees

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Andres125sx wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 10:08
mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
This Doom & Gloom Nonsense is just another Money making Scam...

Al Core predicted the North Pole to have disappeared by 2010... Now he's a Billionaire out of making BS Statements...
Some people will always do the best... for their own wallet. But that's hardly an argument in any direction. Look at Trump (different direction, same purpose)

mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
1. Stop Over-population... Yet not a word on the subject...

2. Plant Trees... At least this has started...


If it was that easy...

Anycase overpopulation is just a problem in third world countries, no first world country share the problem, but the opposite, population going down.

I think as third world countries progress, the problem will disappear itself


But personal footprint is unsustainable if first world countries footprint is averaged to the whole planet, so we need to do a lot more than controlling over population and planting trees

I live in a Third World Shithole & it will Never improve... Poverty all over yet population growing at a staggering rate... I stand by my two point plan AND add the increase of cleaner energy...

Electric cars is also not a solution...
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Just_a_fan wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:54
mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
This Doom & Gloom Nonsense is just another Money making Scam...

Al Core predicted the North Pole to have disappeared by 2010... Now he's a Billionaire out of making BS Statements...

Only 2 things need to happen:

1. Stop Over-population... Yet not a word on the subject...

2. Plant Trees... At least this has started...
How, in a world where politicians can't agree on emissions targets, is population growth going go be controlled? Who will control it? How?

Planting trees isn't going to solve anything without big reductions in emissions in the first place.
China had a 1 child policy for Decades... Worked like a charm...

I will add that we increase the use of clean energy...

Electric cars is also not a solution...

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mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 10:44
Just_a_fan wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:54
mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 09:22
China had a 1 child policy for Decades... Worked like a charm...

I will add that we increase the use of clean energy...

Electric cars is also not a solution...
China is a one party state where people don't get a choice. Try that approach in many countries and see how long the Government lasts...

Electric cars are part of a combined solution, they're not the only answer. Unfortunately, for some people the saying "when you only have a hammer, every problem is a nail" applies and all they can think is "we must all have electric cars".

Electric vehicles can make a big difference in urban areas where car emissions contribute to poor air quality. Are EVs the answer for every user situation? No, of course not. But then petrol/diesel isn't either.
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mclaren111 wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 10:39
I live in a Third World Shithole & it will Never improve... Poverty all over yet population growing at a staggering rate... I stand by my two point plan AND add the increase of cleaner energy...

Electric cars is also not a solution...
Population growth and poverty are linked, of course. Poor people tend to have more children (for various reasons). Lifting people out of poverty is the surest way to limit population growth, as shown by declining birth rates in most rich countries. But to do that means increasing the share of the world's "good stuff" that gets to these people. It's taken "the West" about a century to go from a small group who owned everything + the majority who were poor to a situation where the majority have a decent standard of living. Education plays a big part in this change and education can help with the current situation too. There are cultural and religious blocks in some cases - some cultures object to the education of women, for example, and it is known that improved female education rates leads to a reduction in birth rates. Some religions oppose contraception and that really doesn't help the situation either.

According to an Oxfam report, in 2017, 8 billionaires had as much wealth as half of the world's population put together.
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases ... half-world
Now, before anyone (looking at our US friends mostly :lol: ) accuses me of being a "commie", I'm not suggesting that Jeff Bezos et al should be stripped of their wealth, but there has to be a better economic model that allows more of the wealth to be spread further. Perhaps Jeff and his ilk could spend some of their cash on education programmes around the world. That would probably help. Until that happens, population control will only be realised at the end of a gun barrel.
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djos wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 05:10
izzy wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 02:39
(anyone else watching the superbowl? :D )
Yep, boring 1st three quarters, but last quarter has been epic!
Damn i gave up at half time! I'll watch the rest off disc then. It's quite interesting seeing where Liberty are coming from

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izzy wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 12:16
djos wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 05:10
izzy wrote:
03 Feb 2020, 02:39
(anyone else watching the superbowl? :D )
Yep, boring 1st three quarters, but last quarter has been epic!
Damn i gave up at half time! I'll watch the rest off disc then. It's quite interesting seeing where Liberty are coming from
I know it's off-season and we're all as bored as sh1t, but why are Australians even interested in the Superbowl on an F1 tech site? Was there an F1 ad at half time? Not trying to start anything, just legitimately intrigued.