Formula One's governing body has announced that it has come to a settlement with Scuderia Ferrari after investigations into its 2019 power unit, considered the most powered in F1.
Why would they need any knowledge from Ferrari to test other engines if the knowledge would relate to legal solutions? That doesn't make any sense at all - the other way around however ...
In 2018, when Ferrari's ERS was investigated by the FIA, Charlie Whiting told that they needed the help of Ferrari engineers to fully understand how their system worked and eventually they came to the conclusion that everything with what Ferrari was doing was legal.RZS10 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:56Why would they need any knowledge from Ferrari to test other engines if the knowledge would relate to legal solutions? That doesn't make any sense at all - the other way around however ...
I think someone mentioned this before but y'all should read up on what a DPA/NPA is
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I don't think there was ever more than 100kg of fuel in LeClerc's car. Aa far as I can remember discrepancy was from 90 to 95 or something like that. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can have more fuel in the car. You just can't burn more than 100kg/hr.supermarine wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:13The annoying thing about the way this has been handled is that the really interesting technical details will never be known. I would love to know how Ferrari were doing what they were doing and how much extra fuel they were able to get into the engine than was legal as a result.
Does the 4.88kg anomaly in LeClerc's fuel load at Abu Dhabi tell us anything about the latter? Being really simplistic about it, if we assume they should have had about 100kg of fuel in the car does that mean Ferrari were using around 5% extra than they were admitting to? If so, was the performance advantage of the Ferrari PU we were seeing consistent with fuel flow rate of around 105kg/hr? Anyone have any thoughts?
Season was lost already. Second or third place doesn't matter. Maybe they just detune engine a little so other teams will shut up. Who knows.Jip wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:12Do you have an explanation then why Ferrari suddenly had a big pace deficit as soon as a TD was issued, and before that really had one of the best cars on the grid? And why would there be a settlement, if there was nothing wrong with the engine. If that was the case, the FIA wouldn't have settled anything and as you say, we wouldn't hear anything of it. So I really don't understand that people say Ferrari did nothing wrong, we still don't know what they exactly did wrong, but that's for the FIA to say.Polite wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 16:24-"Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car?" - maybe to prevent tech infos to become public?Jip wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 16:05
Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car? That doesn't make any sense, and also look at last year. From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace, and not just for one race but for the remainder of the season. What is wrong about this is that the FIA doesn't give any information. Last year, the whole paddock was full with question about this, and the FIA still kept their mouth shut. Now they are doing the same thing, and giving us no explanation what it is they 'settled' and what the evidence is the FIA has. IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement? The FIA would have done that if that was the case, but they didn't.
-"From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace" - this is proven to be false.
-"the FIA still kept their mouth shut" - FIA gives informations only in case of illegality.. otherwise they would brake the tech patents. (which is property of the team..) (example: blowing rims 2018.. they were found legal and FIA didnt give any other informations to competitors!)
-"IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement" - FIA states only for illegal tools, not for legal tools.
And then overfuel by 4.4kg effectively putting the nail in the coffin. That makes no sense.zokipirlo wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 21:50Season was lost already. Second or third place doesn't matter. Maybe they just detune engine a little so other teams will shut up. Who knows.Jip wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 17:12Do you have an explanation then why Ferrari suddenly had a big pace deficit as soon as a TD was issued, and before that really had one of the best cars on the grid? And why would there be a settlement, if there was nothing wrong with the engine. If that was the case, the FIA wouldn't have settled anything and as you say, we wouldn't hear anything of it. So I really don't understand that people say Ferrari did nothing wrong, we still don't know what they exactly did wrong, but that's for the FIA to say.Polite wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 16:24
-"Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car?" - maybe to prevent tech infos to become public?
-"From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace" - this is proven to be false.
-"the FIA still kept their mouth shut" - FIA gives informations only in case of illegality.. otherwise they would brake the tech patents. (which is property of the team..) (example: blowing rims 2018.. they were found legal and FIA didnt give any other informations to competitors!)
-"IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement" - FIA states only for illegal tools, not for legal tools.
Let's consider this is the case. Why would it be of importance for other teams not to find out what Ferrari has been up to, once the loophole is closed by the FIA? The way I understand it is that Ferrari needed to tell the FIA their secrets because they still couldn't monitor what was going on - this way they will be able to close the loophole. But once this happened, how do Ferrari take advantage of it by keeping their secret to themselves and the FIA?JPBD1990 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 23:20V interesting possibility re: ‘settlement’
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/why ... ower-unit/
That seems to be the most plausible explanation I've read to date on the subject.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 23:20V interesting possibility re: ‘settlement’
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/why ... ower-unit/
I think it would be to avoid 'prosecution' in case the FIA eventuallyLM10 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 00:20Let's consider this is the case. Why would it be of importance for other teams not to find out what Ferrari has been up to, once the loophole is closed by the FIA? The way I understand it is that Ferrari needed to tell the FIA their secrets because they still couldn't monitor what was going on - this way they will be able to close the loophole. But once this happened, how do Ferrari take advantage of it by keeping their secret to themselves and the FIA?JPBD1990 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 23:20V interesting possibility re: ‘settlement’
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/why ... ower-unit/
figure out what was going on. It was a safety net for Ferrari and a reasonable one at that.But the thing is that the FIA doesn't need to figure out what was going on when it's Ferrari telling them.subcritical71 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 00:29I think it would be to avoid 'prosecution' in case the FIA eventuallyLM10 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 00:20Let's consider this is the case. Why would it be of importance for other teams not to find out what Ferrari has been up to, once the loophole is closed by the FIA? The way I understand it is that Ferrari needed to tell the FIA their secrets because they still couldn't monitor what was going on - this way they will be able to close the loophole. But once this happened, how do Ferrari take advantage of it by keeping their secret to themselves and the FIA?JPBD1990 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 23:20V interesting possibility re: ‘settlement’
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/why ... ower-unit/
Yea ... the article is implying that Ferrari would give up a legal (or rather not yet illegal) impossible to prove advantage in order to help the FIA make it illegal, thus stopping the others from copying what they did? On what planet does that make any sense?LM10 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 00:20Let's consider this is the case. Why would it be of importance for other teams not to find out what Ferrari has been up to, once the loophole is closed by the FIA? The way I understand it is that Ferrari needed to tell the FIA their secrets because they still couldn't monitor what was going on - this way they will be able to close the loophole. But once this happened, how do Ferrari take advantage of it by keeping their secret to themselves and the FIA?JPBD1990 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2020, 23:20V interesting possibility re: ‘settlement’
https://www.racefans.net/2020/03/02/why ... ower-unit/
Yeah the caveat is that Ferrari told them what they was doing and for this reason they wanted a non disclosure agreement between the 2 parties.LM10 wrote:But the thing is that the FIA doesn't need to figure out what was going on when it's Ferrari telling them.subcritical71 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 00:29I think it would be to avoid 'prosecution' in case the FIA eventually figure out what was going on. It was a safety net for Ferrari and a reasonable one at that.LM10 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2020, 00:20Let's consider this is the case. Why would it be of importance for other teams not to find out what Ferrari has been up to, once the loophole is closed by the FIA? The way I understand it is that Ferrari needed to tell the FIA their secrets because they still couldn't monitor what was going on - this way they will be able to close the loophole. But once this happened, how do Ferrari take advantage of it by keeping their secret to themselves and the FIA?
