2020 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, August 14 - 16

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some quali laps
Hamilton Pole Lap (have to open in youtube)


Verstappen Q3 Lap (have to open in youtube)


Perez Q3 Lap (have to open in youtube)


Gasly Fastest Qualifying Lap (Q2) (have to open in youtube)


Leclerc Fastest Qualifying Lap (Q2) (have to open in youtube)

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How come that merc gains 1,3 sec between q1 and q3 while rp gains 0,6 sec? Do you think mercs are cruising in q1?

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Juzh wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 22:11
some quali laps
Hamilton Pole Lap (have to open in youtube)

Verstappen Q3 Lap (have to open in youtube)

Perez Q3 Lap (have to open in youtube)

Gasly Fastest Qualifying Lap (Q2) (have to open in youtube)

Leclerc Fastest Qualifying Lap (Q2) (have to open in youtube)
Thank you for great videos @Juzh

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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 18:19
The Ferrari was designed with only Vettel's input last year and last year LEC DOMINATED him, it's not the car, LEC is just a much better and faster driver. Vettel was never that good, and he was always mistake and crash prone. Today VET was as close to LEC as he has been all season.

VET may have an outside chance of beating LEC tomorrow with a med/hard 1 stop strategy. It seems nobody likes the hards but maybe the track conditions will suit them better.
So was the 2017 and 2018 cars... Easily the best cars Ferrari had in the current era. And yes, Kimi had his input to the 2019 car too before that is thrown in as well. But yes, let's discount that Ferrari messed up on the chassis side proper last year and lay it at Vettel's feet for struggling.

It is widely documented that Vettel likes a planted rear while Leclerc can live with a difficult car much like Max at RB can while the other RB driver struggles. Look only at Gasly in the TR & AT. Stunning performances. Ferrari designed the SF1000 with a monster engine in hand which was taken away at short notice. Now they have to slice off DF away from what they had in mind to remain semi competitive. Result is a poorer car which Leclerc can handle while Vettel just can't.

We can debate all we like but fact remains if the car doesn't suit you or you struggle to predict it you won't be fast. Yes, he should be able to adapt better but if you throw in a very fast team mate and a team that clearly doesn't want you there and nobody will perform well in that car/team.

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Kerberos99 wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 22:26
How come that merc gains 1,3 sec between q1 and q3 while rp gains 0,6 sec? Do you think mercs are cruising in q1?
Mercs went out on used tires for their 2nd q1 run.
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Kerberos99 wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 22:26
How come that merc gains 1,3 sec between q1 and q3 while rp gains 0,6 sec? Do you think mercs are cruising in q1?
Of course they are, low engine more and basically just a sighter lap. They have zero worries of being knocked out at even 90% push

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They could actually get out and push the car over the finish line and still be in the top15 in Q1. That is how hard they need to push.

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Mamba wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 22:38
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
15 Aug 2020, 18:19
The Ferrari was designed with only Vettel's input last year and last year LEC DOMINATED him, it's not the car, LEC is just a much better and faster driver. Vettel was never that good, and he was always mistake and crash prone. Today VET was as close to LEC as he has been all season.

VET may have an outside chance of beating LEC tomorrow with a med/hard 1 stop strategy. It seems nobody likes the hards but maybe the track conditions will suit them better.
So was the 2017 and 2018 cars... Easily the best cars Ferrari had in the current era. And yes, Kimi had his input to the 2019 car too before that is thrown in as well. But yes, let's discount that Ferrari messed up on the chassis side proper last year and lay it at Vettel's feet for struggling.

It is widely documented that Vettel likes a planted rear while Leclerc can live with a difficult car much like Max at RB can while the other RB driver struggles. Look only at Gasly in the TR & AT. Stunning performances. Ferrari designed the SF1000 with a monster engine in hand which was taken away at short notice. Now they have to slice off DF away from what they had in mind to remain semi competitive. Result is a poorer car which Leclerc can handle while Vettel just can't.

We can debate all we like but fact remains if the car doesn't suit you or you struggle to predict it you won't be fast. Yes, he should be able to adapt better but if you throw in a very fast team mate and a team that clearly doesn't want you there and nobody will perform well in that car/team.
I think it’s simply that Leclerc can drive around an issue more than Vettel. Additionally, I remember very early on when he was with Alfa, he spun a lot and spoke about having to change his setup/driving style from F2 to F1 because he naturally prefers a slight bias towards oversteer, where in F1 that is less achievable.

I think this years ferrari is loosey goosey at the rear, and that kind of suits leclerc more + leclerc is just a little more flexible with what he has underneath him. It has long been known that Seb requires a planted rear end. I don’t think that makes him a bad driver. Kimi likes a pointy front end, and we’ve seen a number of times how the absence of that impacts his performance.

Everyone is so binary. You’re either good or bad - but people forget the many, many complexities associated with determining ‘good’ vs ‘bad’. Is leclerc better? Maybe. I think he benefits from being more adaptable, and we’re simply seeing that one strength in action against Vettel. Is Vettel good too? Yes of course.

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Long story short, I agree with you Mamba :D

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Vettel tire strategy for tomorrow:
- soft 40 laps
- medium 20 laps
- hard 6 laps

:D

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
16 Aug 2020, 05:08
Vettel tire strategy for tomorrow:
- soft 40 laps
- medium 20 laps
- hard 6 laps

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Sebastian Vettel has never been the most talkative driver on the radio, particularly during qualifying sessions.


But at Circuit de Catalunya today Vettel, who is enduring a difficult start to his final season at Ferrari, went from merely quiet to completely silent. The 20 messages from race engineer Riccardo Adami went unacknowledged.
No requests for set-up tweaks; no feedback on car balance; no questions about where he is gaining or losing lap time relative to his team mate; no thanking ‘the guys’.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/08/15/vet ... gX1Yahlq40

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So A Mercedes without Q3 party mode is only 1.5 tenths off last year's Mercedes with Q3 party mode. And last year's Mercedes would have been nearly a second quicker than this year's RedBull in Q3. What strange times we live in.
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Toto and Ham saying Max is favorite. They lock the front row, and long race pace is too close to call. Why keep moaning your competitor is favorite? Though... the tow at start, just watching F3: from p5 to p1... difficult to overtake... Stroll at p5 must be favorite :roll:
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