2020 Tuscan Grand Prix - Mugello, September 11 - 13

[Juzh]

Bottas's p1 lap in full screen (open in YT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq-r3QnrcM

[Mogster]

Just a slight lift for T6.

[Fulcrum]

The car is on rails.

[Big Tea]

I think Max is still my tip for a win. they are all having trouble with tyres overheating and needing cool off laps, which they can not do in the race.
Merc will come up with something, which will either nail it, or hand it to Max

[El Scorchio]

I think Max is still my tip for a win. they are all having trouble with tyres overheating and needing cool off laps, which they can not do in the race.
Merc will come up with something, which will either nail it, or hand it to Max

Good shout. Looks quite close round here and it's nice to have the unknown factor of a 'new' track.

[Wass85]

Bottas's p1 lap in full screen (open in YT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq-r3QnrcM

Is it just me who is underwhelmed by the onboards after what I'd imagined they would be like?

Everything just looks so stable and dare i say it, easy.

[Mogster]

Bottas's p1 lap in full screen (open in YT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq-r3QnrcM

Is it just me who is underwhelmed by the onboards after what I'd imagined they would be like?

Everything just looks so stable and dare i say it, easy.

It’s quite a smooth track, Moto GP demand it. On the Sky broadcast Davidson was saying they’ve all got quite a bit of understeer dialled in. The margin of error is so small with the lack of paved runoff and narrowness of the track that there’s no room to sort out an oversteer situation.

I think Norris and Bottas’s moments show how little margin of error there is. Bottas and Norris were nearly off pushing the limits at Arrabbiata then Norris did go off putting a wheel on the gravel earlier in the lap. When you go off you tend to stay off, I think they are being forced to be careful

[Wass85]

Bottas's p1 lap in full screen (open in YT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq-r3QnrcM

Is it just me who is underwhelmed by the onboards after what I'd imagined they would be like?

Everything just looks so stable and dare i say it, easy.

It’s quite a smooth track, Moto GP demand it. On the Sky broadcast Davidson was saying they’ve all got quite a bit of understeer dialled in. The margin of error is so small with the lack of paved runoff and narrowness of the track that there’s no room to sort out an oversteer situation.

I think Norris and Bottas’s moments show how little margin of error there is. Bottas and Norris were nearly off pushing the limits at Arrabbiata then Norris did go off putting a wheel on the gravel earlier in the lap. When you go off you tend to stay off.

It just doesn't look all that from the onboards to me tbh, a bit of a letdown to what I imagined. Maybe I'm being a bore and things will look different come Q3.

[PlatinumZealot]

Uh, OK. I thought I lost count but will take your word for it.

That said these sort of processional track
layout is usually where Bottas has the best chance to win if he starts lap 2 in front of Lewis. The big fly in his ointment however is the fact that this track is very hard on tyres. Bottas hasn't done well this year at the tyre managment so he will really impress me if he can keep a chasing Lewis behind.

He held Hamilton off at Silverstone and had him easily covered until he was put on a poor strategy, Silverstone is much easier to follow and pass than Mugello I should imagine.

He couldn't keep the 2nd stint together so they pit him at L33. Lewis L42. freakish conditions anyway.
Just for balance in the force i am granting Vatteri this win so he has a bit of a confidence booster going in the other half of the season.

[Big Tea]

Bottas's p1 lap in full screen (open in YT)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yq-r3QnrcM

Is it just me who is underwhelmed by the onboards after what I'd imagined they would be like?

Everything just looks so stable and dare i say it, easy.

I think the vid has not perspective. even just watching a car zoom under a bridge lets you see motion v a fixed point, but there is nothing to judge by here.

[Moore77]

Mercedes seems to have induced understeer, which isn't a great thing for Hamilton in qualifying. They probably have done that to protect the rear tires. On this circuit, it appears that the Front tires are going to take a lot of beating. Front tires have 25 psi pressures and likely create a lot of trouble on this abrasive asphalt and with high temperatures. A bit more in the territory of Silverstone 2, but with harder compound. Interesting to see how all these variables pans out with the latest TD of single engine mode that might cause a lot of pain to engines.

[godlameroso]

Mercedes seems to have induced understeer, which isn't a great thing for Hamilton in qualifying. They probably have done that to protect the rear tires. On this circuit, it appears that the Front tires are going to take a lot of beating. Front tires have 25 psi pressures and likely create a lot of trouble on this abrasive asphalt and with high temperatures. A bit more in the territory of Silverstone 2, but with harder compound. Interesting to see how all these variables pans out with the latest TD of single engine mode that might cause a lot of pain to engines.

I think the heat from the track is making things worse as the boundary layer on the asphalt grows the hotter it gets, this has a tendency to reduce ground effect. That will very easily induce understeer, however chasing the track, and trying to dial it out could make things worse, because the racing line shifts through the weekend, and the grip levels are already inconsistent.

[astracrazy]

To be honest i think understeer is a trait of this track. Even this Ferrari vid looks understeery to me.



It makes sense to be honest

[Wass85]

Uh, OK. I thought I lost count but will take your word for it.

That said these sort of processional track
layout is usually where Bottas has the best chance to win if he starts lap 2 in front of Lewis. The big fly in his ointment however is the fact that this track is very hard on tyres. Bottas hasn't done well this year at the tyre managment so he will really impress me if he can keep a chasing Lewis behind.

He held Hamilton off at Silverstone and had him easily covered until he was put on a poor strategy, Silverstone is much easier to follow and pass than Mugello I should imagine.

He couldn't keep the 2nd stint together so they pit him at L33. Lewis L42. freakish conditions anyway.
Just for balance in the force i am granting Vatteri this win so he has a bit of a confidence booster going in the other half of the season.

You are wrong there, it was Hamilton who couldn't hold it together and who was dropping back from Bottas in the 2nd stint.

As for tomorrow, let's see how it goes but he's looking in command thus far.

[PlatinumZealot]

Looks like understeer is dialed in to keep the guys on the straight and narrow. This sort of setup is good for a physically demanding track like this. It's not the fastest one lap pace, but it is a steadier behaviour for the driver to manage. The drawback is the front tyres will take more beating.

The nature of the track does not have any heavy acceleration zones and with understeer setup the rear tyres should be well protected from sliding and thus heat generation.

Ride height will be increased because there is no lowspeed corners. The car speends most of its time under compression at medium to high speeds.