Hy all!!
I'd like you to write about the new Mclaren MP4/20! I am really interested in this car, so I'd like to know everything, about this. So write you all of the information, you know!
THX!
by VaTRiX
The car is not exactly a twinkeel, take a look here, http://www.formula-one.net/pics05/velke/27-01-22b.jpg though I'm getting tired of stating the same thing over and over again, as people tend to think of the suspension as a minor factor and consider the overall aesthetics a much better indicator of the car's changes.Spencifer_Murphy wrote: The car is still a twin-keel and judging by the 19B's performance in the latter part of the season I think Mclaren has cracked how to get it to work..
nor does it use a midwing over the rear axle (I don't think so anyway...correct me if I'm wrong).
Why do you think it is still a "keel"?????Tomba wrote:I agree that these are connected to the tub, but do you think that's a single keel then?
Yeah, a new term for an old thing. Can you remember that F1 cars always had the wishbones connected to the tub, before the high nose trend???????Tomba wrote:Maybe at this time we just need a new term, like monokeel or something
Bienvenu Bernard, ça va bien ?bernard wrote: So, the suspension isn't mounted exactly on the keels, they serve more as an aerodynamic device, turning vanes if you wish.
Now the lower front wishbones are mounted directly to the tub. I asked about this a year ago, I was shot down back then. Here's the thread viewtopic.php?t=863 "It's impossible" was the answer from Reca back then. Well, Reca, how you like them apples?
bernard wrote: Yes I know that, but what I'm after here is isn't it possible to mount the lower wishbones to the nosecone ?
Reca wrote:
No
dumrick wrote:
Yeah, a new term for an old thing. Can you remember that F1 cars always had the wishbones connected to the tub, before the high nose trend???????
dumrick wrote:
It's not the first time I feel that people are just picking on Bernard...
You know, there’s only One who’s never wrong, each human being on this planet is quite often wrong. Especially in engineering where you have to make choices, not always it’s black or white (almost never actually), so you have to look at the balance between the advantages and disadvantages of different solutions. I think that there are lot of engineers in F1 who wouldn’t adopt the same solution as McLaren, and at the same time lot of engineers who would, and in both groups, most are ready to change opinion as a consequence of the McLaren results (although I’ve the suspect that the Renault V-keel could be more appreciated by the first group). Last year I read an article by Sergio Rinland on an Italian magazine, just few weeks before the start of the season, he analysed all the cars from a technical point of view and declared that Mp4/19 and FW26 would have easily beaten the F2004 because the latter had a too traditional front end (Rinland is obviously biased on the twin keel...). Well you know what happened then... so if Sergio Rinland, who has infinitively more experience than me, can be a “tiny bit” wrong, I think I can live with my misjudgements.bernard wrote: Reca, good reply. I'm glad you can admit you were wrong. Takes a man to be able do that.
Seriously, I wouldn’t be as sure as you are about the fact that I understood it, I understand it now, but at the time, considering your remark, on another thread, that McLaren particularly and also other cars have a relatively low nose, not really. My mistake, sorry, let’s close that discussion, isn’t worth more words than we already spent on it.bernard wrote: But seriously about the latter part of your post... with nosecone I obviously meant the tub back then and I think you understood that.
Well, to tell you the truth, I thought so too when I subscribed, but actually there isn't. [-( People were praising it on the BB, but comparing to a weekly magazine with well over a hundred pages, there are 2-3 articles in the atlasf1 magazine that comes out every wednesday.Reca wrote: and I’m sure in Atlas there’s lot more than just that Scarbs’, for once non excellent, article.