2021 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, June 18 - 20

[RZS10]

And Bottas had the choice to go first or second and he chose being in front so it probably doesn't make much of a difference anyways, no?

[pantherxxx]

I doubt that Mercedes have stronger pace than Red Bull on mediums. In the first medium lap in Q2 Red Bull was faster, and Merc had to do a second lap to improve their time.

[El Scorchio]

And i have seen nobody in the green on corner performance. I think we can say Max is almost always extracting very much. The gap to his teammates is usually quite big. These figures are just that. Data. Based on what was actually happening but the real reason behind that is most of all never included.

It's not really "just data" ... it's an interpretation of whatever data most likely based on their own prediction of quali pace or the absolute best minisectors either of the drivers did in that car or something completely different ... realistically it's all just a bunch of nonsense, trying to quantify something that the teams themselves would probably struggle to put solid numbers to, it's added graphics and "analyses" for the sake of added graphics.

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

[Artur Craft]

And i have seen nobody in the green on corner performance. I think we can say Max is almost always extracting very much. The gap to his teammates is usually quite big. These figures are just that. Data. Based on what was actually happening but the real reason behind that is most of all never included.

It's not really "just data" ... it's an interpretation of whatever data most likely based on their own prediction of quali pace or the absolute best minisectors either of the drivers did in that car or something completely different ... realistically it's all just a bunch of nonsense, trying to quantify something that the teams themselves would probably struggle to put solid numbers to, it's added graphics and "analyses" for the sake of added graphics.

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

I posted this about AWS:

I laugh every time I see people giving any importance whatsoever to AWS. The "tire percentage" graph is probably the dumbest thing I ever saw in my whole life.....

We should just completely ignore it

don´t know why it was deleted....

[darkpino]

And i have seen nobody in the green on corner performance. I think we can say Max is almost always extracting very much. The gap to his teammates is usually quite big. These figures are just that. Data. Based on what was actually happening but the real reason behind that is most of all never included.

It's not really "just data" ... it's an interpretation of whatever data most likely based on their own prediction of quali pace or the absolute best minisectors either of the drivers did in that car or something completely different ... realistically it's all just a bunch of nonsense, trying to quantify something that the teams themselves would probably struggle to put solid numbers to, it's added graphics and "analyses" for the sake of added graphics.

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

I like the data though where they compare corners between two team mates. That’s really cool to see

[bosyber]

It's not really "just data" ... it's an interpretation of whatever data most likely based on their own prediction of quali pace or the absolute best minisectors either of the drivers did in that car or something completely different ... realistically it's all just a bunch of nonsense, trying to quantify something that the teams themselves would probably struggle to put solid numbers to, it's added graphics and "analyses" for the sake of added graphics.

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

I like the data though where they compare corners between two team mates. That’s really cool to see

Yep, the corner analysis is cool, also because it is quite clear what it refers to while this new one, just like others generated with AWS are black boxes that don't always make clear what 'corner performance' here actually means (and thus how big a 1% difference is). I mean, I guess Verstappen did better. But how do we/they know that's driver and not car (Bottas doing better - but then it be only useful when we know how he compares to Verstappen; same: Perez being worse, thus car being downplayed? No idea).

[Sieper]

Yes, that is quite interesting. But even there you don’t know the reason behind the choices made by the driver and the team in set up.

[darkpino]

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

I like the data though where they compare corners between two team mates. That’s really cool to see

Yep, the corner analysis is cool, also because it is quite clear what it refers to while this new one, just like others generated with AWS are black boxes that don't always make clear what 'corner performance' here actually means (and thus how big a 1% difference is). I mean, I guess Verstappen did better. But how do we/they know that's driver and not car (Bottas doing better - but then it be only useful when we know how he compares to Verstappen; same: Perez being worse, thus car being downplayed? No idea).

Yep fully agree!

[bosyber]

Yes, that is quite interesting. But even there you don’t know the reason behind the choices made by the driver and the team in set up.

Yup, though if one driver gains time in a certain corner (while not losing it again in another), that's useful right? I mean, that combined with for example the VER/HAM quali laps might show where (but, well, Sector times already show HAM loses almost everywhere a bit) the extra wing HAM has maybe helps him a bit, versus what the Red Bull of Verstappen gives him.

[bosyber]

Recently racefans.net had an interesting article with, I think, Smedley, about what they were trying to do with these AWS items (apart from obvious sponsoring), and he said it was something that teams come to them wrt. (for example those viewer-non-helping ) tyre-condition graphics which apparently are quite accurate. But again, what does '10%' mean there, that someone can only ask a bit from their tyres, or would they have shown Stroll's/Verstappen's rear-left close to breaking point in Baku (I am guessing not)? Sadly, that bit of 'how do we make sure the viewers get what we intend to convey' didn't really feature all that much.

[El Scorchio]

It's not really "just data" ... it's an interpretation of whatever data most likely based on their own prediction of quali pace or the absolute best minisectors either of the drivers did in that car or something completely different ... realistically it's all just a bunch of nonsense, trying to quantify something that the teams themselves would probably struggle to put solid numbers to, it's added graphics and "analyses" for the sake of added graphics.

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

I like the data though where they compare corners between two team mates. That’s really cool to see

I think that’s the only useful one they do. The rest I feel is just drivel.

[El Scorchio]

It's not really "just data" ... it's an interpretation of whatever data most likely based on their own prediction of quali pace or the absolute best minisectors either of the drivers did in that car or something completely different ... realistically it's all just a bunch of nonsense, trying to quantify something that the teams themselves would probably struggle to put solid numbers to, it's added graphics and "analyses" for the sake of added graphics.

Yup. Almost all that AWS stuff is total garbage. Visual diarrhoea.

I posted this about AWS:

I laugh every time I see people giving any importance whatsoever to AWS. The "tire percentage" graph is probably the dumbest thing I ever saw in my whole life.....

We should just completely ignore it

don´t know why it was deleted....

TBH I don’t really see how anyone would be particularly offended by that. Unless the person who inputs the data for the tyre percentage Gfx posts on here?

[El Scorchio]

Recently racefans.net had an interesting article with, I think, Smedley, about what they were trying to do with these AWS items (apart from obvious sponsoring), and he said it was something that teams come to them wrt. (for example those viewer-non-helping ) tyre-condition graphics which apparently are quite accurate. But again, what does '10%' mean there, that someone can only ask a bit from their tyres, or would they have shown Stroll's/Verstappen's rear-left close to breaking point in Baku (I am guessing not)? Sadly, that bit of 'how do we make sure the viewers get what we intend to convey' didn't really feature all that much.

That is quite interesting actually. I definitely believe it’s done for casuals and people who need all that stuff to add to their viewing experience.

I could really live without any of it but I suppose if it brings in money to the sport fair enough.

The only one I really enjoyed was when someone superimposed the tyre life thing over a shot of Bottas or Hamilton in GB on the final laps last year with the front left reading 0%. That was very amusing.

[Artur Craft]

TBH I don’t really see how anyone would be particularly offended by that. Unless the person who inputs the data for the tyre percentage Gfx posts on here?

I guess that´s the case.

Thinking more deeply about it, I now think it makes perfect sense. When the tire is at 100%, it has peak grip and maximum durability left. When it is at, say, 50% the tyres have half the grip(friction coefficient of the tyre is reduced by 50%, so the cornering speed is reduced by 30%*) and the tyre is half way into having no durability whatsoever, anymore. At 0%, I assume the tyres have 0 grip left in them and/or durability is gone, so the tyre is about to fail.


*As we all know, if the cornering force is reduced by a factor of 0.5x, then the cornering speed should be accordingly reduced by the square root of such factor, which is about 0.7x

[Sieper]

Yes, that is quite interesting. But even there you don’t know the reason behind the choices made by the driver and the team in set up.

Yup, though if one driver gains time in a certain corner (while not losing it again in another), that's useful right? I mean, that combined with for example the VER/HAM quali laps might show where (but, well, Sector times already show HAM loses almost everywhere a bit) the extra wing HAM has maybe helps him a bit, versus what the Red Bull of Verstappen gives him.

Certainly. I think that is what drivers are looking at. Who has what set up choices and how do they translate that in where to shed off speed in the corners, where to place the car and when to accelerate. Karun just did a very good lap comparison on sky.