2021 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, June 18 - 20

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Merc had the faster race car and they just threw it away on strategy.

Simple as that.

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max_speed wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:37
Loved the face of toto after bottas outburst on radio. It is wide open now how biased mercedes is towards hamilton. GET IN THERE LEWIS hahaha :)
I also like his face when he lost especially if he is punching table it is cake with creame

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They banked on the one stop because it worked in Bahrain, but things have evolved. Mercedes lost this on strategy nothing else. The Red Bull has improved, it is now every bit a match for the Mercedes in the race.
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djones wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:32
Mercedes slaughtered on strategy. They had the faster car and threw that win away.... twice.

Oh and then not going for the fastest lap? Incredible incompetence from them.
I disagree. They did not havd the fastest car at all. Perez pace and Max's pace says otherwise. Max mad a mistake and Lewis was just Lewis. He knows how to hunt down a leading car. I would say the Redbull was ever so slightly faster and the strategy made the difference.

If merc had the faster car, the one stop strategy would have worked regardless of what redbull did.
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What's that awesome new tartan Mercedes hat Lewis has?

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ringo wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:40
djones wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:32
Mercedes slaughtered on strategy. They had the faster car and threw that win away.... twice.

Oh and then not going for the fastest lap? Incredible incompetence from them.
I disagree. They did not havd the fastest car at all. Perez pace and Max's pace says otherwise. Max mad a mistake and Lewis was just Lewis. He knows how to hunt down a leading car. I would say the Redbull was ever so slightly faster and the strategy made the difference.
You mean pace on far younger tyres? :wtf:
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godlameroso wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:40
They banked on the one stop because it worked in Bahrain, but things have evolved. Mercedes lost this on strategy nothing else. The Red Bull has improved, it is now every bit a match for the Mercedes in the race.
I disagree. Mercedes was the faster race car and also the best on tyres.

It was a bad strategy call two times(!) that lost this for them.

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nzjrs wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:40
What's that awesome new tartan Mercedes hat Lewis has?
that was supposed to be the canadian gp special hat

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zibby43 wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:39
Merc had the faster race car and they just threw it away on strategy.

Simple as that.
Faster?

Hmm, doesn't seem like it, seems like it's very close. The car difference is so small that it all comes down to the human element.
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the EDGE wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:35
I just don’t understand why they didn’t put Lewis on lap 43, he would have hunted max down no problem
It's not only they he was asked to stop but declined so.

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Restomaniac wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:41
ringo wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:40
djones wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:32
Mercedes slaughtered on strategy. They had the faster car and threw that win away.... twice.

Oh and then not going for the fastest lap? Incredible incompetence from them.
I disagree. They did not havd the fastest car at all. Perez pace and Max's pace says otherwise. Max mad a mistake and Lewis was just Lewis. He knows how to hunt down a leading car. I would say the Redbull was ever so slightly faster and the strategy made the difference.
You mean pace on far younger tyres? :wtf:
Mercedes 1 stop would have worked fine if the were the faster car.
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cplchanb wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:41
nzjrs wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:40
What's that awesome new tartan Mercedes hat Lewis has?
that was supposed to be the canadian gp special hat
Awesome, thanks!

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Just_a_fan wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:38
max_speed wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:37
Loved the face of toto after bottas outburst on radio. It is wide open now how biased mercedes is towards hamilton. GET IN THERE LEWIS hahaha :)
Which is why they pitted Bottas first rather than protect Hamilton's track position. Riiighht. :roll:
NOPE THEY pitted bottas assuming he will overcome Ves and in case if emergency will act as buffer between hamilton and verstappen but redbull pit crew prevented that. This argument might be used as face saver in press but there is no face left for Toto to show, bottas showed him mirror today.

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zibby43 wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:39
Merc had the faster race car and they just threw it away on strategy.

Simple as that.
Merc had not the faster race car and it is not simple as that. If Verstappen does not bottle the start, things might have looked much different but with the same outcome.

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ringo wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:40
djones wrote:
20 Jun 2021, 16:32
Mercedes slaughtered on strategy. They had the faster car and threw that win away.... twice.

Oh and then not going for the fastest lap? Incredible incompetence from them.
I disagree. They did not havd the fastest car at all. Perez pace and Max's pace says otherwise. Max mad a mistake and Lewis was just Lewis. He knows how to hunt down a leading car. I would say the Redbull was ever so slightly faster and the strategy made the difference.

If merc had the faster car, the one stop strategy would have worked regardless of what redbull did.
Exactly so. The Red Bull was the faster car and Red Bull played the strategy better. Simple really. Max drove brilliantly other than his turn one lapse. In fact the top four all drove really well.
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