2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

[lh13]

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Lewis going with the ‘engine upgrade narrative’ again. Sore. Whining about straight line speed while he himself had a dominant car for 7 years

Its understandable. Drivers say lot of things, especially immediately after the race when the emotions are running high. Plus it has been their narrative ever since RB took their 2nd engine. Old news.

[El Scorchio]

Great win for Verstappen. Mercedes did what they had to do lacking the pace to win - they timed the fastest lap opportunity well, Bottas did his job overtaking Perez. Too bad Perez couldn't make it in the end, seems they brought him in just a bit too late - but fair try. Gutted for Russell. Leclerc drove well, but his race was tarnished by the elimination of Gasly.
Overall, boring race, but well, each season will have a few. It was not the worst boring race in recent years, at least.

To be fair, Bottas only got ahead because of Perez’ problem in the pits. I actually think RBR made an error in pitting Perez a second time for the sake of one point which really isn’t going to be significant at the end of the season. He would have had him otherwise.

[Juzh]

You mean literally like this?

https://twitter.com/f1/status/1409158367541665798?s=21

Don't contradict the narrative.

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

[Artur Craft]

The RB is currently the dominant car.

Not slightly better. Dominant.

If that´s the case then Perez is doing almost as bad as RIC while BOT is doing very well(qualified 2nd, started 5th and finished 3rd)

I cannot remember a driver with such results as Perez´s while driving a "dominant car", I suppose it´s a first on F1(Rosberg, Bottas, Webber... they all did much better with their dominant machinery)

[politburo]

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Verstappen is very fast. But even Perez' laptimes are awesome in that car. Just look at his laptimes from Paul Ricard and here also they are very good, the RB16B is just a faster car, quail or race doesn't matter - they had the best car on race pace as well on the C2 tires in free practice 2. The numbers don't lie https://f1bythenumbers.com/2021-styrian ... tion-pace/ https://f1bythenumbers.com/2021-french-gp-race-pace/.

[zibby43]

Don't contradict the narrative.

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

But they clearly could “upgrade” the engine with better reliability. And with better reliability, you can theoretically run the engine harder.

So nothing he said is false. He didn’t say anything remotely untoward.

The lengths some of you go to stretch benign comments into accusations is getting a little out of hand.

[grubschumi13]

Don't contradict the narrative.

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

I noticed that too. Max is just special. If they switched cars Max and Lewis, Max would be further ahead in the title race. Probably would have won all the races so far.

[Mr.S]

Hamilton & Perez has nothing between them in the Mediums, possibly RB was 1 tenth or maybe 2 quicker which includes Hamilton in dirty air. But the hards gave Max the advantage. His advantage was 3-4 tenths atleast with the Hards. Hamilton was having vibrations & his tyre deg was higher but before than also, Max was doing 3-4 tenths on an average quicker.

But that was not the case for Perez (who is a great racer) & Bottas who had equal spirit. The Slow stop cost Perez 3rd spot but even then it would have been close. You could argue RB are a tenth faster or 2 on an average. 70 Laps & 14s is 0.2/lap (before Hamilton pitted). So people can argue Verstappen is 2 tenths faster as he claimed or the RB was a tenth or 2 faster today but then Bottas made up those 2 tenths or Perez lost those 2 tenths.

Anyways great race from Leclerc, apart from the Gasly thing. What is interesting is Mercedes doing better than RB on the harder compounds have been negated in this race completely. Between Spain & now, RB have found a few tenths through set-ups & upgrades. They were a tenth down & now are maybe a tenth up ! But congrats Max. I think everyone will agree that in 2021, Max has been the better driver so far !

[DChemTech]

Great win for Verstappen. Mercedes did what they had to do lacking the pace to win - they timed the fastest lap opportunity well, Bottas did his job overtaking Perez. Too bad Perez couldn't make it in the end, seems they brought him in just a bit too late - but fair try. Gutted for Russell. Leclerc drove well, but his race was tarnished by the elimination of Gasly.
Overall, boring race, but well, each season will have a few. It was not the worst boring race in recent years, at least.

To be fair, Bottas only got ahead because of Perez’ problem in the pits. I actually think RBR made an error in pitting Perez a second time for the sake of one point which really isn’t going to be significant at the end of the season. He would have had him otherwise.

True, the poor stop from Perez did help Bottas.

[ismail1991]

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

I noticed that too. Max is just special. If they switched cars Max and Lewis, Max would be further ahead in the title race. Probably would have won all the races so far.

It is clear that rbr is a better car now. I don't know how you see the things. It makes me smile

[siskue2005]

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

But they clearly could “upgrade” the engine with better reliability. And with better reliability, you can theoretically run the engine harder.

So nothing he said is false. He didn’t say anything remotely untoward.

The lengths some of you go to stretch benign comments into accusations is getting a little out of hand.

Also there has been rumours that RBR has had a fuel and oil upgrade, which in itself would give you good performance. And also the software upgrade can given u massive gains.

But the overreaction to Lewis' comments in the last few races has been pathetic really.

[Juzh]

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

But they clearly could “upgrade” the engine with better reliability. And with better reliability, you can theoretically run the engine harder.

So nothing he said is false. He didn’t say anything remotely untoward.

The lengths some of you go to stretch benign comments into accusations is getting a little out of hand.

Sure, one comment is no big deal, but Hamilton and wolf are seemingly on a crusade to convince everyone Honda in the midst of engine freeze brought some incredible upgrade that single headedly propelled red bull ahead of mercedes, while somehow staying oblivious to red bull running half the wing nearly every race so far.
Verstappen even jokingly said he's about to print out their skinny wings and give pictures to every reporter that asks him about this imaginary "upgrade".

[politburo]

The RB is currently the dominant car.

Not slightly better. Dominant.

If that´s the case then Perez is doing almost as bad as RIC while BOT is doing very well(qualified 2nd, started 5th and finished 3rd)

I cannot remember a driver with such results as Perez´s while driving a "dominant car", I suppose it´s a first on F1(Rosberg, Bottas, Webber... they all did much better with their dominant machinery)

You forget Webber's terrible season Seb won the WDC by 100+ points in 2013 in the dominant RB9?. Beat Webber by 100+ points in 2011 and 2012 as well. If that is the standard then Perez is actually doing well, he has won a race and routinely finishes races well. Verstappen is just the fastest driver on the grid.

[Artur Craft]

It has been since Monaco. But blue and red tinted 3d glasses by the max fans failed to see it.
The car is just plain faster everywhere. Nothing to do with driver ability. Especially if you have 3 tenths on the straight alone. Thats not down to the driver.

Mercedes need to develop their car.

I just realised how insanely good Bottas is because, despite "RB being so dominant at Monaco", Valteri had the best sectors(and mini sectors) and would have, very likely, gotten pole without Leclerc´s crash. VB is one of those special drivers

Also, Max had quite a poor pace on France because both Mercedes´ drives had way more pace than him despite their inferior machinery and Max got lucky to win it strategically rather than on pure pace as it should´ve been given how dominant his car is

[El Scorchio]

Death, taxes, and trolling/whining about Merc whether they win or lose. Tradition for this forum lol.

Hamilton almost made it, but in the end couldn't help himself to again made insinuations of supposed engine upgrade. The thing that's impossible you know (the upgrade). Check last 15 seconds in case you turned off telly before the interview:

I still feel like Mercedes is at least equally fast as Red Bull. It's just Verstappen who is making the RB16B look like so dominant. Verstappen was only 2 tenths slower on the 30+ old Hard tyres than Perez on the fresh medium tyres.

Noticed this as well, 2 tenths off on 35 old hards. Verstappen basically did to Perez what he's been doing to albon and gasly.

But they clearly could “upgrade” the engine with better reliability. And with better reliability, you can theoretically run the engine harder.

So nothing he said is false. He didn’t say anything remotely untoward.

The lengths some of you go to stretch benign comments into accusations is getting a little out of hand.

Exactly. Didn’t they say the new Esso oil/lubricant allowed them to now run the engine harder for longer? Nothing untoward there aside just a nice perfectly legal developmental gain. Which on the face of this weekend looks significant.