2021 Styrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 25 - 27

[Big Tea]

Mercedes and Hamilton are gonna rue all those points lost with cheap mistakes by the looks of it.

Yip, its not wins that make you champion, its points, where ever they come from

[Spacepace]

Wolff and Hamilton trying to get under the skin of Verstappen fans by making those statements there is no doubt about it

True, but these kind off gamesmanship has been seen ever since the dawn of motorsports; Senna would say similar things about the williams when he was in the Mclaren; and when he switched to Williams he was saying similar things about the Benetton etc etc.
Only now the problem is the online cancel culture who are letting them fall into the trap...moslty coz of the demographics and the anonymity of online media

My comment was meant as a joke. I said "under the skin of Verstappen fans". Meaning I think the comments are meant to get under the skin of Verstappen but it only does with his fans.

I also do think they're saying it in little part to save face in the face of defeat

[siskue2005]

Wolff and Hamilton trying to get under the skin of Verstappen fans by making those statements there is no doubt about it

True, but these kind off gamesmanship has been seen ever since the dawn of motorsports; Senna would say similar things about the williams when he was in the Mclaren; and when he switched to Williams he was saying similar things about the Benetton etc etc.
Only now the problem is the online cancel culture who are letting them fall into the trap...moslty coz of the demographics and the anonymity of online media

My comment was meant as a joke. I said "under the skin of Verstappen fans". Meaning I think the comments are meant to get under the skin of Verstappen but it only does with his fans.

I also do think they're saying it in little part to save face in the face of defeat

It does get into Max and Redbulls head...look at Max getting worked up by a small incident in FP3. Look at all the Horner's press comments.. its getting to everyone.

[siskue2005]

Mercedes and Hamilton are gonna rue all those points lost with cheap mistakes by the looks of it.

After today's race and the level of performance of the red bull car, there is no point in looking back coz that wouldnt help them any more.

[LHamilton]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

But one would think that if Perez is as good as people say, and with a slightly car advantage THIS race, he would be ahead of Bottas and in that gap between Verstappen and Hamilton. That being said, it felt like Perez strategy was a little bit here-nor-there. Didn't go for a one stopper and didn't really optimize a two stopper. Red Bull should perhaps scratch their heads on that one.

Good recovery drive from Leclerc and good points from Ferrari. Sainz had a good, quite race.

Vettel was a bit underwhelming I must say. Would've hoped him getting on top of Stroll at this point. Even though I don't really rate Stroll to highly, he is such a coinflip in terms of speed. Sometimes he can show decent speed and sometimes he is nowhere. Quite funny that Stroll has 5 points finishes this season and Vettel 3. Yet, Vettel has more than double Stroll's points. 30 vs 14. Goes to show how much you can gain if you get an "extraordinary" race (Vettel in Baku) or DNFs. Same with Bottas and Perez. Bottas now has 4 podiums, but is still behind Perez with his two podiums, one being a win.

Norris is certainly on form. Very impressive run thus far. Really has that McLaren sorted. I had to remind me last year that it was Norris' second season in F1. Thought he had been here for much longer. Perhaps because 2020 felt longer than usual. Will be interesting to see how he goes on in his career. In terms of what's happening with Ricciardo. Damn. Don't think anyone expected him to struggle this much. But he has got quite a bit of legetimacy within F1, so you can't rule him out from returning to form. In the same way that you couldn't really do that to 4 time World Champion Vettel.

On to the next.

[siskue2005]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

[Sieper]

And Russell, can’t catch a break. Now he had one with the Yuki penalty going from 10 to 9 start and still on new yellows. Was capitalizing on it. Technical issues. Poof it is gone.

[Wouter]

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He did it again !!

[Shrieker]

Mercedes and Hamilton are gonna rue all those points lost with cheap mistakes by the looks of it.

After today's race and the level of performance of the red bull car, there is no point in looking back coz that wouldnt help them any more.

I beg to differ. Last race was tight. This track, Red Bull were miles ahead, but there are going to be a lot of tight races, and those points dropped may hurt a lot come the end of the year.

[Big Tea]

I think Gasly would have been in with a shout at a podium today if things had gone his way, but....

[214270]

LEC finds a way yet again to escape any sort of punishment; he never seems to get punished for these mistakes.

[lh13]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

Yeah 13 seconds, to his own teammate. Check the first post of this thread. Lewis was 33 seconds ahead of Max.

You can call RB dominant if/when Max wins the championship with 4-5 races to spare.

[El Scorchio]

I think Gasly would have been in with a shout at a podium today if things had gone his way, but....

Terrible luck for him. If Carlsberg DIDN’T do first laps….

Likewise Russell could have grabbed a point or two in a Williams. What an achievement that would have been in a race with so few retirements.

[ringo]

The race was not really boring.
The midfield fights were good.
Alonso's pace, Yuki's pace. quite good. I would rate Sainz higher than leclerc for this race.

Perez had the pace on Bottas this race. His slow pitstop hurt his chances.

At the front i dont know why Norris let bottas and perez past. Anyone knew what happened therr?

At the front it was as predicted 0.2s per lap. And on this short track that's a lot. The gap was also not dependent on tyre status. Max even was able to control the pace and hold it at 5 to 8 seconds for most of the race. if he wanted to he could have gone as much as 0.3s a lap relentlessly without pushing hard.
And whoever said max is 0.2s a lap faster than lewis that makes no sense. lol. Lewis was not limited his ability today.. The car just couldnt give any more performance. on the other hand
Max didnt use all of his ability. The car was well inside its capabilities.
Perez also.. he only pushed after the pitstop and we saw how he closed the gap down to 1.4seconds to bottas.

DOMINANCE!!! its not huge like back in the 2014 kraken days or the vettel rb days. But its enough to see Max comfortably through to the end.
The interesting this is what can Merc do and will reliability come back to Haunt Max and Honda?

[siskue2005]

I don't think you can say that Red Bull is a much more dominant overall. It will change from track to track. In THIS race it looked like Red Bull had a slightly faster car though. I wouldn't call it dominant. Maybe 0,2s with apparently better tyre deg which increases that margin as the race goes on. That perhaps makes this race look worse than previous races has shown. Previously Mercedes had better deg, and it might just be that next weekend depending on what they learn.

The largest margin of victory ever in the A1 ring was 13 seconds by Lewis last year
Lewis was 18.9 sec away from Max when he pit for fastest lap

Yeah 13 seconds, to his own teammate. Check the first post of this thread. Lewis was 33 seconds ahead of Max.

You can call RB dominant if/when Max wins the championship with 4-5 races to spare.

So now the definition changes according to the agenda, ok got it