Red Bull RB16B

[etusch]

probably the reason why RBR is not pushing FW regulations hard, theirs is working good.

They were most effected by simplification rules of fw but now they look they overcame it.

[godlameroso]

Next year's rear wing is a regulation mandated spoon wing, looks like Red Bull is smart developing a rear spoon wing, it will give them insights for next year.

[JordanMugen]

Next year's rear wing is a regulation mandated spoon wing, looks like Red Bull is smart developing a rear spoon wing, it will give them insights for next year.

Interesting. Doesn't a spoon wing reduce tip vortices, yet the 2022 rules wish to maximise the tip vortices (or counter rotating vortex pair) to maximise the uplift of the car wake away from the following car?

Seems contradictory.

[godlameroso]

Next year's rear wing is a regulation mandated spoon wing, looks like Red Bull is smart developing a rear spoon wing, it will give them insights for next year.

Interesting. Doesn't a spoon wing reduce tip vortices, yet the 2022 rules wish to maximise the tip vortices (or counter rotating vortex pair) to maximise the uplift of the car wake away from the following car?

Seems contradictory.

If all you had was a spoon wing vs a barn door, sure. However there is more than just a wing back there. There's a diffuser, and end plates, and an exhaust, and suspension members, and all of those things work together as one.

[godlameroso]

Next year's rear wing is a regulation mandated spoon wing, looks like Red Bull is smart developing a rear spoon wing, it will give them insights for next year.

Interesting. Doesn't a spoon wing reduce tip vortices, yet the 2022 rules wish to maximise the tip vortices (or counter rotating vortex pair) to maximise the uplift of the car wake away from the following car?

Seems contradictory.

The regulations won't improve racing, vortices are clean and efficient airflow. Turbulence is not, turbulence is what the car's wake generates. You can't stop that from happening. If the 2022 tunnels created nice stable vortices instead of that turbulent mess we have now, then we could get good racing.

This is off topic and should probably go in another thread, as interesting as the discussion is.

[Randomizer]

Crazy to see what they are able to do without causing aero stall and massive drag penalties. You would expect that the redesigned sidepod arrangement would create massive drag as it is now almost perpendicular to the way of travel.

[Morteza]

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[DarthPlagueisTheVise]

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Did they forgot to tell RB about the budget cap or what lol

[Capharol]

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Did they forgot to tell RB about the budget cap or what lol

if you think correctly they have practically 2 budgets.....
they could use the budget of AT for the 2022 car

[Sieper]

Making parts doesn’t really cost budget. You pay for your staff, materials, facility and overhead. All are more or less already paid for. So just make use of the capacity as much as you can.

[etusch]

Making parts doesn’t really cost budget. You pay for your staff, materials, facility and overhead. All are more or less already paid for. So just make use of the capacity as much as you can.

I don't know what material they are using for making moulds but very small change at front wing mean building a new mould. Some changes affect other parts too so making more mold and making them precise, I think it costs very much.
Buying a material but not using it, it is a reserve, usable later but when you use it, it is completely gone. Both are different things.

[LM10]

Making parts doesn’t really cost budget. You pay for your staff, materials, facility and overhead. All are more or less already paid for. So just make use of the capacity as much as you can.

By this logic every team should keep on upgrading their cars like RedBull instead of focusing on 2022 entirely.

[Sieper]

Making parts doesn’t really cost budget. You pay for your staff, materials, facility and overhead. All are more or less already paid for. So just make use of the capacity as much as you can.

By this logic every team should keep on upgrading their cars like RedBull instead of focusing on 2022 entirely.

Every team makes their choices. Not so much due to the current cost cap, but due to the engineers they currently have working. RedBULL f.e. This year Does a lot of adapting parts, reworking parts, repairing parts and just have enough available for one car first. In other years they often had the new parts for two cars at the same time and had more spare parts.

In that way you can upgrade but still keep capacity to work on 2022 parts. Other top teams could do the same. Smaller teams don’t have that engineer capacity and redbull has always been working like this. It is core to their way of working. Mercedes and Ferrari do that differently.

So no, not every team can do this.

[LM10]

Making parts doesn’t really cost budget. You pay for your staff, materials, facility and overhead. All are more or less already paid for. So just make use of the capacity as much as you can.

By this logic every team should keep on upgrading their cars like RedBull instead of focusing on 2022 entirely.

Every team makes their choices. Not so much due to the current cost cap, but due to the engineers they currently have working. RedBULL f.e. This year Does a lot of adapting parts, reworking parts, repairing parts and just have enough available for one car first. In other years they often had the new parts for two cars at the same time and had more spare parts.

In that way you can upgrade but still keep capacity to work on 2022 parts. Other top teams could do the same. Smaller teams don’t have that engineer capacity and redbull has always been working like this. It is core to their way of working. Mercedes and Ferrari do that differently.

So no, not every team can do this.

The thing is that teams have limited tunnel and simulation times - the better placed last year, the less time. It’s not only about the pure costs of manufacturing parts. Using some of the simulation time for this year’s upgrades makes you lose that time for next year’s car, obviously.

Maybe RedBull is the most efficient team out there, making as big steps as the others in less time. We will only see next year.

[Just_a_fan]

Making parts doesn’t really cost budget. You pay for your staff, materials, facility and overhead. All are more or less already paid for. So just make use of the capacity as much as you can.

Every part you make requires materials both for the part itself and for molds required. And there is wastage of materials e.g. off cuts that can't be used elsewhere. If those parts are additional to the ones you budgeted for then the material has to be bought. Any time spent making those parts can't be used to make other parts - a technician can only do one thing at a time. So there is materials budget and manpower budget. To say that making parts doesn't cost budget is strange, I must say.