vorticism wrote:Which way, Western sportsman?
-Aspiring to master a ruleset.
-Aspiring for competitors to be handicapped.
I don't get the humor here...
Ferrari was thoroughly handicapped and rules changed to stop their dominance. Tests were forbidden and all the right rules were bent to allow michelin to do what was needed to beat Ferrari...
So I ask your question back to you dear kettle.
I didn't mean to imply Ferrari, just considering the implications of handicaps in sports. Granted, this is motorsport and perhaps the differentiation is that it is only halfway an athletic competition. Why should the engineers alone be punished? Perhaps if a car is too good, the team can be penalized by only being permitted to hire less talented drivers.
What this has to do with Christian Horner, I'm not sure. He's publicly taken both sides of every argument the past decade and a half as part of his modus operandi, so, it would be keen to kettle the kettle calling. Given the dates of those articles; if you had found out your competitors were burning oil while fighting climate change wouldn't you be equally miffed?
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 29 Jun 2023, 14:25
by Sevach
Activate subtitles if you don't understand italian.
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 08 Jul 2023, 15:07
by AR3-GP
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 08 Jul 2023, 17:18
by vorticism
+1 First three element FW I've seen on an LMP1.
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 08 Jul 2023, 17:59
by dialtone
is it too early to say that Ferrari got hosed by BoP in Monza?
is it too early to say that Ferrari got hosed by BoP in Monza?
No. The BOP change was +5kg and -9hp for this race relative to Toyota, compared to Le Mans. They qualified only thousandths away from the Toyota and their fastest lap of the race is only a tenth behind the Toyota. The biggest issue for them was the tire wear on the long runs. Le Mans was a very low degradation race so this issue was not exposed in that race.
It was predicted that the hot temperatures here would make tire management more critical and this is where the Toyota which has been in competition for over a year already is well dialed in.
Even the Porsche 963 which is terrible with its tires had managed to do a triple stint where Molina had no tires at the end of his double stint in the beginning of the race. The outright pace is fine. The 499P is still a brand new car and they have learning to do on the long runs at every new circuit that they visit.
is it too early to say that Ferrari got hosed by BoP in Monza?
No. The BOP change was +5kg and -9hp for this race relative to Toyota, compared to Le Mans. They qualified only thousandths away from the Toyota and their fastest lap of the race is only a tenth behind the Toyota. The biggest issue for them was the tire wear on the long runs. Le Mans was a very low degradation race so this issue was not exposed in that race.
It was predicted that the hot temperatures here would make tire management more critical and this is where the Toyota which has been in competition for over a year already is well dialed in.
Even the Porsche 963 which is terrible with its tires had managed to do a triple stint where Molina had no tires at the end of his double stint in the beginning of the race. The outright pace is fine. The 499P is still a brand new car and they have learning to do on the long runs at every new circuit that they visit.
Yeah I was joking, it was a nice race, too bad they didn't win.
-9hp is pretty big though, that BoP against Ferrari was a bigger swing than +13kg for Toyota, at this point Ferrari runs -30hp from the peugeot. Monza is very power dependent given the race ended when Toyota re-opened the gap from 7s, both on new tyres, it's not too much of a jump to think that those extra hp could have made the difference in 6 hours. Anyway... Yeah that end of 2nd stint from Molina likely lost them the race, same story as in Sebring.
Fuji and Bahrain will have even worse BoP for Ferrari, +12kg and +11kg and -6hp while Toyota is getting +3hp. Anyway it is what it is, close racing is nice.
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 10 Jul 2023, 18:04
by variante
Monza podium teams
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 11 Jul 2023, 09:44
by F1NAC
Jesus that Peugeot badge looks massive couldn't they make just a sticker, or did they incorporate cooling with inlet that looks like peugeot contours.
Jesus that Peugeot badge looks massive couldn't they make just a sticker, or did they incorporate cooling with inlet that looks like peugeot contours.
Cooling inlet and crash structure.
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 13 Jul 2023, 06:23
by AR3-GP
I'll just leave these here. You can view in 4K definition.
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 13 Jul 2023, 06:27
by AR3-GP
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 13 Jul 2023, 06:35
by AR3-GP
Rear wing angle adjustment system on the Cadillac:
The silver pill shaped pieces can be switched in and out for a specific wing angle. Clever.
BMW share this system as they also use the Dallara platform.
Re: WEC 2023
Posted: 13 Jul 2023, 06:38
by AR3-GP
The cable stays for the diffuser of the Cadillac have a bit of slack when the car is at rest. At speed they are pulled taut as the diffuser gets sucked down.
couldn't they make just a sticker, or did they incorporate cooling with inlet that looks like peugeot contours.
