Mercedes AMG F1 W06

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Looks like the whole rear wing is different now, is this Spa only or could we see it again in say Russia/Mexico?
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monza too maybe

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Triple slot at the bottom of the rear wing plate, usually just the two.
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This car is pure dope.

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Different canard on the endplate, very similar to what they ran last season.
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https://twitter.com/techf1les/status/634431104708177920 Do these hollow wheels allow more amount of air in the tyres? If yes then is this part of the reason that the W06 is able to take the kerbs and also stay stiff during high speeds? Something that Andrew Green noticed
AMuS wrote:But the Force India engineers is something else noticed. "The drive on the front axle with an unusual amount of travel. This will help them over the curbs. Still, the car is extremely deep front. That does not really fit together."

The assumption: Mercedes, the front axle in the slow passages with any trick "pump up" without having to sacrifice in the fast on a sharp angle forward. That would be an increase of aerodynamic and mechanical grip. As long as the axes are front and rear non-networked (Fric), it is also allowed.
According to Will Tyson more volume also means more suspension travel but he was explaining it for 13" vs 18" but it can have a small effect here too right?
Will Tyson wrote:Although the volume reduction is not directly linked to the suspension kinematics, a large amount of the car’s overall suspension travel would be lost. If the current suspension layout was kept, the ride would be a lot harsher and the car’s ability to ride kerbs would be affected substantially
Are there other teams which are running hollow rims?
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It's really just about being lightweight and making sure you scavenge as much brake heat as possible to the inner carcass. When you visualise the volume of the tyre the pockets don't really add much air and could be achieved in other ways.
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I wonder if it also promotes a more even distribution of heat from inner to outer walls?

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I hope those holes are not connected with the air outside the rim, isn"t it, and they are just confined with the inner rim walls ...
Maybe someone could do a drawing to enlighten me ... :)
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Having more air theoretically has 2 benefits.

1. higher volume tires produce a softer ride, because changing the volume in the tire (hitting a curb or deforming it) effects the tire pressure less.

2. The tire with more volume has a higher thermal mass, and thus heats up slower, and cools off slower.
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I think the big reason is to do with the tyre pressure. PV=nRT.... With a larger volume there is a smaller percent change in pressure when the tyre is squeezed. However it does not change the relationship with how tyre Pressure rises with the temperature.

Heat loss..mmmyeaaah... but it is tricky to say how much of a change. The wheels are spining so there is a centrifugal force that pushes the air away from the center of the spokes so not much up and down convection happens there. The Nusselt number is lower in the spokes. On the other hand, the edges where the spokes meet the barrel are like little tubulence generators. I am not sure how much this improves cooling from tyre to rim.. ??
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PlatinumZealot wrote:I think the big reason is to do with the tyre pressure. PV=nRT.... With a larger volume there is a smaller percent change in pressure when the tyre is squeezed. However it does not change the relationship with how tyre Pressure rises with the temperature.

Heat loss..mmmyeaaah... but it is tricky to say how much of a change. The wheels are spining so there is a centrifugal force that pushes the air away from the center of the spokes so not much up and down convection happens there. The Nusselt number is lower in the spokes. On the other hand, the edges where the spokes meet the barrel are like little tubulence generators. I am not sure how much this improves cooling from tyre to rim.. ??
Platinum think of it the other way.

The higher volume tire can be squeezed more. Assume 2 tires at 5 psi. In order to absorb the impact of a curb, they compress until the pressure builds to 7 psi.

the heat issue is shown by pv=nrt as well. The higher volume tire has more gas in it, so it takes more energy to heat it up/ cool it down.
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I'm pretty sure tire pressure doesn't change when it's "squeezed." In a closed system, pressure is the result of temperature and volume.