McLaren's Daniel Ricciardo has won the Italian Grand Prix ahead of team mate Lando Norris. As both title contenders again clashed and retired from the race, Valtteri Bottas had a brilliant recovery to finish third after starting from the back of the pack.
if merc dint lobby for pit stop rule to be changed those would have had proper pit stops and would never have meet on track its ironic merc machinations has led to these.toto should also took leadership and cool things after silverstone not by gloating and being overly defensive for lewis "Tactical foul" a win is a win that was his words.
Suggesting its a "tactical foul" isn't defensive of Lewis it's critical of Max and RB/Stewards for not controlling Max.
if merc dint lobby for pit stop rule to be changed those would have had proper pit stops and would never have meet on track its ironic merc machinations has led to these.toto should also took leadership and cool things after silverstone not by gloating and being overly defensive for lewis "Tactical foul" a win is a win that was his words.
Because Horner and Helmut did a great job of diffusing the situation after silverstone
Are you serious? this season is littered with incidences of Lewis backing out, not just Imola but Barcelona, Silverstone, and lap one here at Monza. even when racing Alonso in Hungary Hamilton was backing out of moves in order to preserve his car. You have to ask yourself honestly if that was Verstappen and Alonso in Hungary would we have had the clean racing we ultimately saw?
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Hamilton is great at risk management and he backs out of quite a few maneuvers. I can not remember a single fight against a championship contender this year, where Max backed out. That's his mentality and it is, why people love his driving, but for me he is not fit to be world champion this way
Indeed. Max not for WDC with this attitude. He will feel for one day.....
He also needs some anger management training , cant speak to the team the way he does.
It is a multi million company and to have someone on the radio or "phone" as the sky buddies suddenly call it, not acceptible at al even anyone else in the team would speak like that they would be fired
Let's take a moment to send our thoughts and prayers to those of us who fail at kindergarden physics.
Please correct it with an unrough update then, first grade superstar.
As I hope everyone else on a technical forum knows force is mass times acceleration. Unlike weight which is a vector, mass is a scalar so they are not the same thing. Acceleration is rate of change of velocity so they are not the same, not even roughly!
In physics weight is a force so then what you are describing is power which is force times velocity.
But perhaps you meant to write mass rather than weight in which case you would be talking about impulse which is mass times velocity.
Lewis was always in front, never once was Max in front, so how can he say Lewis was the aggressor, I've never seen such a big pile of stinking BS in my life.
Laughable. How can anyone take this seriously.
The comments to it also point this out.
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In my humble opinion, it's a racing incident, since both drivers are at fault.
In isolation, I can understand the stewarts decision. Verstappen is really arriving late into the corner and lets the crash happen rather than yield. It would have been smarter to back out, and make a move with worm tires through curva grande. But that's a easier decision to make stationary behind a keyboard than driving 360 km/h.
But, Hamilton moves in the braking zone. In my humble opinion, the braking zone must be defined by cars driving at normal speeds, not cars exiting the pitlane. And with 75 meters left to the corner, Hamilton is clearly to the right, less than one meter from the right side. Entering the corner, he clearly but barely, only leaves a cars width on the left side.
I think this is what surprises Verstappen. If Hamilton would have kept to the right, he would have had to brake much earlier, which probably is what Verstappen is betting on when he makes his dive.
In the interest of safety, the rules concerning what cars entering the first corner after exiting the pitlane can and cannot do should be clarified.
But, Hamilton moves in the braking zone. In my humble opinion, the braking zone must be defined by cars driving at normal speeds, not cars exiting the pitlane. And with 75 meters left to the corner, Hamilton is clearly to the right, less than one meter from the right side. Entering the corner, he clearly but barely, only leaves a cars width on the left side.
I think it has being established/excused in previous incidents that taking the racing line doesn't count as moving in breaking zone.
Strange when the excuses come back to bite you in the arses later
Will Buxton is NOT a fan of Max Verstappen. He gives his opinion on the crash.
He's wrong right at the beginning when he says that Hamilton didn't give Verstappen room in the braking zone. He quite obviously did do so. After that it's all just...his grasp of blue flags is poor - in that situation, the blue flag is just a warning to the drivers that there are cars close to them. It's not a "you must let them through" as it's not a lapping situation. He considers Hamilton the aggressor and that Hamilton is making a move on Verstappen in to T1 when Max is entirely behind Lewis on the approach. So he's got the dynamic wrong before he's even started to analyse what's going on later in the event.
Poor assessment by someone who ought to understand the situation better than that.
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If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.
He's wrong right at the beginning when he says that Hamilton didn't give Verstappen room in the braking zone. He quite obviously did do so. After that it's all just...his grasp of blue flags is poor - in that situation, the blue flag is just a warning to the drivers that there are cars close to them. It's not a "you must let them through" as it's not a lapping situation. He considers Hamilton the aggressor and that Hamilton is making a move on Verstappen in to T1 when Max is entirely behind Lewis on the approach. So he's got the dynamic wrong before he's even started to analyse what's going on later in the event.
Poor assessment by someone who ought to understand the situation better than that.
It feels like he's reaching for a way to make it Hamiltons fault.
He's wrong right at the beginning when he says that Hamilton didn't give Verstappen room in the braking zone. He quite obviously did do so. After that it's all just...his grasp of blue flags is poor - in that situation, the blue flag is just a warning to the drivers that there are cars close to them. It's not a "you must let them through" as it's not a lapping situation. He considers Hamilton the aggressor and that Hamilton is making a move on Verstappen in to T1 when Max is entirely behind Lewis on the approach. So he's got the dynamic wrong before he's even started to analyse what's going on later in the event.
Poor assessment by someone who ought to understand the situation better than that.
It feels like he's reaching for a way to make it Hamiltons fault.
Indeed so. It's like DiResta's cringe-worthy attempts during the broadcast.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.
