Ferrari SF15-T Pre-Launch Speculation Thread

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raymondu999 wrote:So I've seen conflicting reports. Is the 666 designed by James Allison, or not? From what I've read, it could be one of 3 things:

1) Originally a Tombazis design, then scrapped late-on and taken on by James Allison.
2) A James Allison design from the start
3) A Tombazis design; James Allison will simply develop it - the 667 will be his first full-time Ferrari car

In other news - I hope Marchionne's sword doesn't axe more people. Fear of firings can be a very dangerous company culture, one that will breed insecurity rather than performance.
Yes, I'm also confused.

The "evidence" I've seen is as follows:

- Marchionne has mentioned "mistakes" by previous management that he doesn't agree with
- He also mentioned them being "late" because of "choices made by other people" - I'd expect those "people" (plural) to not just be confined to Mattiaci but also not likely to be people who still work there, so might imply Fry/Tombazis
- I think it was Arrivabene who said that they hope to be competitive by the end of 2015

Source for the first two: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns29678.html
I can't find a source for the third. The "2 race wins" goal is reported a lot of places, including the above.

My hunch from this is that the original design included, at the very least, a lot of input from Fry/Tombazis and changing that direction is what has set them back. However it may also be a reference to the progress made on the engine front - I believe I'm correct in saying both Ferrari and Renault only started work on this year's engine in the summer which, some might argue, is a bit later than it was patently obvious they had a lot of catching up to do.

So I reckon, and it's just a guess, that it's 1) in your list but that also means part of 3) is also true, i.e. "the 667 will be [Allison's] first full-time Ferrari car".

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i like that "- Marchionne has mentioned "mistakes" by previous management that he doesn't agree with"

now if he had agreed with the "mistakes" PUBLICLY ...that would have been something. =D>

- He also mentioned them being "late" because of "choices made by other people" - I'd expect those "people" (plural) to not just be confined to Mattiaci but also not likely to be people who still work there, so might imply Fry/Tombazis
Domenicali resigned as Ferrari team principal in April 2014. As far as I'm concerned Luca Cordero di Montezemolo was dead meat at the same time. Mattiaci was Marchionne's man. Everything that happened in 2014's planning for 2015, right or wrong , is Marchionne's responsibility.

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diffuser wrote:i like that "- Marchionne has mentioned "mistakes" by previous management that he doesn't agree with"

now if he had agreed with the "mistakes" PUBLICLY ...that would have been something. =D>

- He also mentioned them being "late" because of "choices made by other people" - I'd expect those "people" (plural) to not just be confined to Mattiaci but also not likely to be people who still work there, so might imply Fry/Tombazis
Domenicali resigned as Ferrari team principal in April 2014. As far as I'm concerned Luca Cordero di Montezemolo was dead meat at the same time. Mattiaci was Marchionne's man. Everything that happened in 2014's planning for 2015, right or wrong , is Marchionne's responsibility.

Yes, perhaps my phrasing on the first part is redundant "choices by previous management that he thinks were mistakes" is perhaps more accurate.

But if you read the article I linked to, he says:
Marchionne said key "mistakes" were made in 2014, and one of them may have been appointing the inexperienced Marco Mattiacci as axed Stefano Domenicali's successor.
So I think calling mattiaci marchione's 'man' is way off base. You could argue that 'he would say that' with benefit of hindsight, but I question what he stands to gain by being dishonest on that point.

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Very interesting article written by Luca Ferrari in formulapassion.it.
..fully translated from the Italian.
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January 13, 2015 - A little more than two weeks after the launch, which will take place on line Friday, January 30, emerge new rumors about what will be the first Ferrari F1 Vettel era.

Maranello car that will address the 2015 season has not learned much, not even the name which will be communicated prior to submission, even if the rumors are now beginning to be more specific with regard to the technical decisions taken by the men of the staff coordinated James Allison. In chronological order, the freshest news reports them on its pages the latest edition of the weekly Autosprint, who writes of some details related to the various parts that make up the car. From aerodynamics to the chassis, the power unit, up to modern simulation systems we talked in recent days on the pages of FormulaPassion.it. In such a case comes further confirmation that the Scuderia will use the roller test bed by Austrian AVL, which is a system similar to that adopted by Mercedes last year, and who had then given the opportunity to greatly improve Red Bull when he ran into difficulties with the reliability and efficiency of the engine Renault.

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Between the choices related to the motor component, stands out not to adopt the system of the turbine separate from the compressor that had been one of the hallmarks of the project Mercedes 2014. In fact, the power unit 059 / 4, these two mechanical should remain side by side as in the past season, even if the dimensions of the components are apparently more. In any case, the search within the staff of engineers led by Mattia Binotto was entrusted to one of the new technical landed recently in Maranello, the German Wolf Zimmerman, came from the Lotus road cars it produces, after he gained his experience at the AMG. His task is to find the engine of Cavallino those horses in that much more are missed in the recent past and of which there is an absolute need to mend the gap against the Silver Arrows. The minimum goal, according to the weekly, is to earn at least 50 horses to the power unit in the course of 2015. A growth path that could be reflected through the development permitted by the 32 tokens that can be used throughout the year.

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A moment the engine that will power the new Red, codenamed 666, would be ready and approved, and the trials currently underway at the Racing Department concern test the reliability and industrialization. The integration of the power unit inside the car seems to see some significant changes after what had been studied and applied with the F14T. Starting from the arrangement of some organs, such as the oil tank that will return to a more traditional position, ie in the front area between the frame and the V6, and allow to retract a few centimeters the same engine with the aim of improving weight distribution and traction. Another novelty concerns instead the cooling circuit, where the radiators would change position, because there are more vertical as the F14T, but would be inclined. The main motivation would lie in the benefits aerodynamic data from a more traditional than the one adopted in 2014, which made use of cores with a lamellar very compacted, which created too much "resistance" and did not allow a correct extraction of 'air in the rear of the car.

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Bringing to the chassis, the front suspension if there are substantial changes compared to the findings of recent, still holds counter the issue of the muzzle: in essence, in recent weeks it was rumored that Ferrari would adopt a layout of the front in the style launched by Red Bull, with the bulb placed at the front end (without S-Duct, now banned by the rules do not allow slots at the bottom of the frame), but now it seems that the solution finally adopted is more similar to that practiced by the Mercedes, but with the necessary precautions related to the measures imposed by the new Regulation 2015. a choice, the latter, which would be acquired only recently and then you could assumed to have been originated by a change in the race compared to the original plan. Change of course that would depend fundamentally on the request made in October by Sergio Marchionne, who would ask James Allison to intervene and to radically revise the project 666, now in an advanced stage, and on which they would work not only against aerodynamics, but also the installation of the power unit. An indiscretion which you could also add some more information on the efficiency of the solution used for the muzzle from Mercedes and optimized thanks to the arrival of Jock Clear in Maranello.
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Another, in a series of assumption, how it will look new 666:

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Autosprint (ital.mag.):

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Ferrari 666 development underwent a decisive turning point in October, Marchionne would have asked for a more advanced project. From a RB nose style, it has gone to a Merc one. The turbine & compressor will not be separated as happens on Merc PU. The oil tank is now located between PU and chassis and no longer in the gearbox to improve traction and weight distribution.
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hattrick wrote:Image

I like that Nose.
turbof1 wrote: YOU SHALL NOT......STALLLLL!!!
#aerogollum

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Thunders wrote:

I like that Nose.
agree, but if more aggressive front wing will be best .......haha

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Very nice thank you!
I'm not 100% agreeing with Marchionne's revolution but... even if we don't know how this is going to end i think it is what ferrari really needed....
Niki Lauda got it right about Ferrari long time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z38qfEdlaO4

Let's just hope they could prove him wrong...

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f1316 wrote:
diffuser wrote:i like that "- Marchionne has mentioned "mistakes" by previous management that he doesn't agree with"

now if he had agreed with the "mistakes" PUBLICLY ...that would have been something. =D>

- He also mentioned them being "late" because of "choices made by other people" - I'd expect those "people" (plural) to not just be confined to Mattiaci but also not likely to be people who still work there, so might imply Fry/Tombazis
Domenicali resigned as Ferrari team principal in April 2014. As far as I'm concerned Luca Cordero di Montezemolo was dead meat at the same time. Mattiaci was Marchionne's man. Everything that happened in 2014's planning for 2015, right or wrong , is Marchionne's responsibility.

Yes, perhaps my phrasing on the first part is redundant "choices by previous management that he thinks were mistakes" is perhaps more accurate.

I was just teasing you, sorry if I was a little over the top.

But if you read the article I linked to, he says:
Marchionne said key "mistakes" were made in 2014, and one of them may have been appointing the inexperienced Marco Mattiacci as axed Stefano Domenicali's successor.
So I think calling mattiaci marchione's 'man' is way off base. You could argue that 'he would say that' with benefit of hindsight, but I question what he stands to gain by being dishonest on that point.
Oddly enough when I read that, I got the impression he was taking responsibility for Mattiaci's Hiring. He even mentions that Mattiacci was hired to replace LDM

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diffuser wrote: Oddly enough when I read that, I got the impression he was taking responsibility for Mattiaci's Hiring. He even mentions that Mattiacci was hired to replace LDM
I initially read it completely the other way but now you point it out, I can see how it could be read differently.

Still, ldm was the boss when they hired mattiaci so seems likely to me that it was his decision.

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LDM hired Mattiacci, I know that.

Marchionne hence got rid of him. Frankly, I cannot blame him. However the choice of Arribabueno is weird, pretty much the same type as Mattiacci. A marketing dude. Just note how hard Ferrari has been trying to sell Arrivabueno experience in F1, while in truth it is zero.

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http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/ ... get-better

Boggles my mind that, regardless of who was in charge, they could have started 'late'.

Again, to me this points to them starting early but having to completely change direction, hence result is 'late' (I.e. Allison took over from fry/ton axis)

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That is fairly incredible, how can they be late? It's not like they were competing for the championship? Bizarre.

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bonjon1979 wrote:That is fairly incredible, how can they be late? It's not like they were competing for the championship? Bizarre.
As far as I understand, it had something to do with the clarification of the engine homologation regulations. So im thinking their chassis has something depending on what way the engine turns out.

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f1316 wrote:
Again, to me this points to them starting early but having to completely change direction, hence result is 'late' (I.e. Allison took over from fry/ton axis)
Yep that's the word. That they had started already on the 2015 car, the one Marchionne saw from Tombazis while he was running CFD and Marchionne wasn't impressed and was actually embarrassed(remember those reports?). So instead of using the original design, Allison, Resta and others have changed the original design, hence why the car is now late.

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Holm86 wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:That is fairly incredible, how can they be late? It's not like they were competing for the championship? Bizarre.
As far as I understand, it had something to do with the clarification of the engine homologation regulations. So im thinking their chassis has something depending on what way the engine turns out.
struggle to believe that. They'd've had the testing spec car pinned down in December to allow for production. The clarification only came in the new year.