2017 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Hamilton vs Vettel incident

[i70q7m7ghw]

The same can be said of HAM that was complying that SC was running to slow and than he brake till 49km/h after a turn. What a coherence!!!

The safety car was coming in that lap, and he has to make a gap before the restart. His engineer had already warned him that the previous restart was very close. The rules clearly state that when the safety car is coming in the lead driver controls the pace and is allowed to create a gap greater than 10 car lengths to allow the lead driver to restart the race without overtaking the safety car before it enters the pit lane.

Could you please share the telemetry you have that shows Hamilton braked and was doing 49km/h? To quote such specific numbers suggests you have the telemetry for the car, so please share it so we can shut down this discussion and prove without a doubt that Hamilton was at fault as you say.

[Restomaniac]

Let's make Maldonado a member of the GPDA then, shall we?

Then we would have F1 bumper cars for sure!

Well it seems Vettel would also be happy with that idea.

[TAG]

I'm sure in Austria we'll see strongly worded reminder to all drivers that intentionally trying to hit another car is a disqualifying offense... but that's next race. This race, it was a stop & go penalty.

[cplchanb]

Guys you do know with brake by wire lifting also brakes the car by itself. So really ham could very well have been lifting and not actually on the brake pedal and the car just broke itself without his direct input

[Xwang]

Sure it wasn't the nicest thing to do but ham is entitled to set the pace of the pack and vet is required to follow. Considering that they've raced for 10 years vet should know what his antics are and at the very least be cognisant of it. Vet's response if proven true is worse than Schumacher in 97 because it was premeditated and not as instinctive

wasn't quoting you Diesel

I was comparing the two incidents since both involved drivers intentionally ramming the side of another. True context is different but intent was the same. Thing is vet had time to think and react which made things worse

I'm not sure there was any intent from VET otherwise the stewards (which have the telemetry) would have given a greater punishment.

[Unc1eM0nty]

Sky F1 reporting further action on Vettel

David Croft reveals Sebastian Vettel has also had three penalty points added to his super licence after the stewards deemed his driving into the side of Hamilton as "potentially dangerous".

That takes him to nine for the 12 month period. Two of those come off at the British GP but the championship leader will have to keep it clean in Austria next time out as if he gets three more points he'll face a one-race ban.

[daniellammers]

My POV:

The matter Lewis was wrong or not.

Mr. Vettel drives into other drivers on purpose, is that what we want?
Put someone off track and get away with a 10 second stop/go penalty?
Today, Race control set some weird standards for the rest of the season.
Vettel must be, in my opinion, be at least be disqualified from today's race

[giantfan10]

Hamilton needs a penalty at the next race, this is not the first time he has slowed down abruptly. It has been a feature all through is career, repeatedly warned for not being aware of other cars behind.

This was a case of him trying to back Vettal into Perez gone wrong, needs a penalty.

Almost fell over reading this. Why so bitter. Brakes need warming as do tyres.

yes vettel deserved a penalty for hitting hamilton , but hamilton has to be taken to task for drastically slowing right after the apex on an up hill semi blind corner... that was the absolute dumbest place to do what he did.He did it knowing vettel was close behind him.

[fabian77]

Sure it wasn't the nicest thing to do but ham is entitled to set the pace of the pack and vet is required to follow. Considering that they've raced for 10 years vet should know what his antics are and at the very least be cognisant of it. Vet's response if proven true is worse than Schumacher in 97 because it was premeditated and not as instinctive

wasn't quoting you Diesel

I was comparing the two incidents since both involved drivers intentionally ramming the side of another. True context is different but intent was the same. Thing is vet had time to think and react which made things worse

The 2 incidents are completely different, Schumi clearly aimed his car at JV at full speed with the intention of taking him out to win the WC just like he successfully did to Damon Hill in 94. That is why I said the comparison was hilarious

[aral]

This is going to be a contentious issue, seen differently by both sides. But, imo, there is blame attributable to both. Hamilton did not act correctly in relation to SC and in fact was nearly in trouble for actually passing the SC ! He was agitated and only data will show whether or not he deliberately slowed down or braked with Vettel so close behind him. And then there is the issue of Vettel. Watch the onboards from the Ferrari, Seb did not actually turn the steering wheel, so you need to look at the frontal view. The rear of the Ferrari stepped out and caused the car to swing into Hamilton. Was that coincidental or deliberate? Who knows? But steering telemetry would have the answer and will be debated by the stewards later on, especially if there is an appeal.
But i doubt that there would be an appeal as the situation returned to normal after penalty and Mercs foul-up.

Lets hope that the fanboys do not clutter up the site with wild accusations and counter accusations.

[Restomaniac]

Sky F1 reporting further action on Vettel

David Croft reveals Sebastian Vettel has also had three penalty points added to his super licence after the stewards deemed his driving into the side of Hamilton as "potentially dangerous".

That takes him to nine for the 12 month period. Two of those come off at the British GP but the championship leader will have to keep it clean in Austria next time out as if he gets three more points he'll face a one-race ban.

So 'potentially dangerous' gets him another 'stop being naughty seb'. Well done FIA for proving once again you only have teeth when it suits.

[Moose]

I can't see how anyone could color this as Hamilton's fault. You can clearly see the back of his car, and his brake light. It does not come on. That means that neither did he push the brake pedal, and nor did his car harvest. It was simply that he didn't accelerate through the corner as Vettel expected, and instead coasted a bit to make a gap. You can clearly see from Vettel's onboard that he accelerates through the corner.

The initial contact was Vettel's fault, and then the secondary contact was both Vettel's fault and intentional as far as I can see - he drove along side, made a rude gesture, and then steered into Hamilton.

I'm frankly amazed that Vettel didn't get either a black flag, or a race ban.

[dans79]

Sky F1 reporting further action on Vettel

David Croft reveals Sebastian Vettel has also had three penalty points added to his super licence after the stewards deemed his driving into the side of Hamilton as "potentially dangerous".

That takes him to nine for the 12 month period. Two of those come off at the British GP but the championship leader will have to keep it clean in Austria next time out as if he gets three more points he'll face a one-race ban.

Probably because of how he addressed the issue with the press. I'm sure the "What did you expect" comment didn't go over well.

[Phil]

This is going to be a contentious issue, seen differently by both sides. But, imo, there is blame attributable to both. Hamilton did not act correctly in relation to SC and in fact was nearly in trouble for actually passing the SC ! He was agitated and only data will show whether or not he deliberately slowed down or braked with Vettel so close behind him. And then there is the issue of Vettel. Watch the onboards from the Ferrari, Seb did not actually turn the steering wheel, so you need to look at the frontal view. The rear of the Ferrari stepped out and caused the car to swing into Hamilton. Was that coincidental or deliberate? Who knows? But steering telemetry would have the answer and will be debated by the stewards later on, especially if there is an appeal.
But i doubt that there would be an appeal as the situation returned to normal after penalty and Mercs foul-up.

Lets hope that the fanboys do not clutter up the site with wild accusations and counter accusations.

If it wasnt deliberate, i'm not sure how to take Vettels post race interview about "we are men" etc when asked specifically by CH4 if he moved into Lewis deliberately...

[Restomaniac]

Hamilton needs a penalty at the next race, this is not the first time he has slowed down abruptly. It has been a feature all through is career, repeatedly warned for not being aware of other cars behind.

This was a case of him trying to back Vettal into Perez gone wrong, needs a penalty.

Almost fell over reading this. Why so bitter. Brakes need warming as do tyres.

Oh stop repeating the same thing over and over again... yes vettel deserved a penalty for hitting hamilton , but hamilton has to be taken to task for drastically slowing right after the apex on an up hill semi blind corner... that was the absolute dumbest place to do what he did.He did it knowing vettel was close behind him.

So it's become 'drastically' slowing now.