Lewis third, Jarno given 25s penalty > Trulli 3rd, Lewis DSQ

[fizzer]

So Hamilton gets his words "muddled" - I'm not making aspersions here - and BANG, you're out of the race, son.

No, he didn't get his words muddled at all. He flat out told the stewards after the race that Trulli "sped past him" under caution. In reality, his team told Hamilton to slow down and let Trulli past, making it look like Trulli did something illegal. He never mentioned the team's communication to the stewards... that comm was a big piece of the puzzle.

[De Jokke]

It's all mclhating fiarrari. The fia never started an investigation by themselves before after the stewards's decision. I say this smells. Probably the fia noticed that mcl gained by the whole situation and thought: hmm, we need to get ferrari back in the game. Let's help our italian friend trulli.

This season is already screwed, one race and again. If hamilton loses his title by six points it's al controversial. Another season wrecked, thanks to fia, I --- hate them!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vall]

So, in fact, there is no controversy around the finishing positions, only the fact that Hamilton changed his story. Unless I'm missing a big part of the puzzle here, in which case someone needs to tell me what the hell is going on. So Hamilton gets his words "muddled" - I'm not making aspersions here - and BANG, you're out of the race, son.

the story is that LH/MaLaren denied before the stewards letting/asking LH to let Truli pass. So, they implied that Truli overtook LH under SC and so need to get penalized. Later they discovered, LH and Macca did not tell the truth

[vall]

the story is that LH/MaLaren denied before the stewards letting/asking LH to let Truli pass. So, they implied that Truli overtook LH under SC and so need to get penalized. Later they discovered, LH and Macca did not tell the truth

quoting myself , if that is really true and confirmed by the transcripts of the stewards, then I think there should be even more implications for LH and McLaren.

[natef1]

I don't get why the FIA would be like that towards Hamilton though.

Whether you like him or not he's a valuable property in F1 and yes, yes, this may shock you - he has brought lots of people into F1, certainly in Britain, who would otherwise not care. To intentionally go out of their way to destroy him doesn't do the FIA any good from a PR perspective at all. Unless of course you come from the heady, not to mention seedy, heights of Max and Bernie, standing aloof from all that is in front of them.

[vall]

I don't get why the FIA would be like that towards Hamilton though.

Whether you like him or not he's a valuable property in F1 and yes, yes, this may shock you - he has brought lots of people into F1, certainly in Britain, who would otherwise not care.

So, what? I don't care how many people in Britain case or not about F1!!!! and way should I?

This does not give you the right to lie

[Callum]

If Mclaren and LH have blateantly lied then they deserve to be punished, i'm fine with that.

I do not think that he will be excluded from the championship.. He is their golden boy, i could imagine seeing half-empty grandstand seats at the brittish GP if this happens (where ever it is held!) I do expect further penalties though.. i dont know why but i just feel it in my waters

I'm actually still annoyed at the whole first safety car thing. it took way too long to be deployed.

If the FIA watches and punishes the drivers for doing wrong, who looks at the FIA....

[vall]

He is their golden boy, i could imagine seeing half-empty grandstand seats at the brittish GP if this happens (where ever it is held!)

it was not empty before LH and will not be empty after (if it is held )

[natef1]

I don't get why the FIA would be like that towards Hamilton though.

Whether you like him or not he's a valuable property in F1 and yes, yes, this may shock you - he has brought lots of people into F1, certainly in Britain, who would otherwise not care.

So, what? I don't care how many people in Britain case or not about F1!!!! and way should I?

This does not give you the right to lie

That's not what I said and you know that's not what I meant.

I asked, in response to someone else saying they are trying to make harshly punish Hamilton every time he does something wrong, that why would the FIA do that when he is useful to them? I wasn't saying he had the right to lie.

[MustGoFaster]

If Mclaren and LH have blateantly lied then they deserve to be punished, i'm fine with that.

I'm actually still annoyed at the whole first safety car thing. it took way too long to be deployed.

If the FIA watches and punishes the drivers for doing wrong, who looks at the FIA....

+1 The race stewards made an uninformed decision, which they shouldn't have. McLaren + Lewis are WAY in the wrong for lieing about it. Lewis should have had 3rd (from when Trulli went off) but they screwed up. McLaren should have spoken up about what REALLY happened, and maybe they would have 3rd or 4th still. McLaren's not apealing because the know what they should have done.

Seems like the race stewards need a TV or something. They should be able ask for in car footage for both cars, for a period of race time, and have it in 10 minutes, seems like they should be able to figure most things out from that.

[nae]

as said above who polices the FIA and there bad practice

still if lewis lied like what the evidence shows then fair do's

had the stewards done there job correctly there couldnt have been any lies

a bit contrived but the correct result in the end

and as for vettel causing an accident ............

step by step the FIA are turning me of the circus

I want to watch racing, perhaps if the stewards where televised

[Callum]

I just thought....if Lewis has been DSQ..does that mean he can start another engine "new" and throw the Australia engine/gearbox away??

[Shaddock]

Which but above did I get wrong?

The part that's wrong is assuming Trulli made a mistake when overtaking Lewis. He didn't, because Hamilton slowed down and moved off line in order to let him pass. Toyota then tell Trulli to let Hamilton pass, which he doesn't even if he could (front car driving abnormally slow).

Since when was slowing down and moving off line behind whilst waiting for the safety car against the rules?

Trulli did not have to pass him, they were behind the safety car, if in doubt you always hold back. Trulli didn't he was probably mad at himself for making a mistake and loosing position and through caution to the wind. Unless the car in front pulls off the track then you shouldn't overtake it.

Engines and gearboxes are no longer throw away items.

[astracrazy]

I just think again its confusion from the rules which has caused this situation again.
Its like Spa last year. Right or wrong it.

I just feel that if its the right decision or not, it should be made on race day and thats it. Over with. Next GP. Sometimes they will be wrong, sometimes right. But this weekend will be all about this now, and less about the racing.

[andartop]

It's really funny to see some people only looking at this from Hamilton's point of view and moaning about unfair decisions, conspiracies, even implicating Ferrari into this!!! It's as simple as this:

Trulli made a mistake and went off track.
LH had no choice but to overtake him.

If McLaren and Lewis knew the rules of the sport they are competing in at the highest level, it should have ended at that. If Toyota or anyone else dared say anything, their defense would be that Trulli's car was off track when LH claimed 3rd, thus LH had every right to do so. End of story.

By not knowing the rules, or by just being confused as to what to do, McLaren (mostly) and Lewis messed up. THEN, they did realize they messed up and tried to cover up everything by lying about what happened. One would have thought that after 2007 McLaren should have known that the worst thing they can do is lie to the sport's governing body (for ANY reason). They didn't. So, they got punished. Again.

Same rules apply to everyday life. You might be completely innocent, but if you testify false you can be punished by law. And it still can take a loooong time before you actually find out about the penalty! (just kidding on the last bit: they should have reached their conclusions much sooner!)