Ugliest car Of The 2008 Season

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I'm with Belatti - F1 cars of the 1960s and 1970s were beautiful.

For those of you too young to know - those were the days when horsepower, suspensions and drivers made a big difference.

And when up to 30 F1 cars would show up for a race . . .
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It is quite interresting to see we almost all agree that 2008 cars are ugly, while such subjective thread usually underlines the divergence of opinions.

It gives an hint about the public ideal perception of a formula one car. Hopefully next year will be batter, but although they might be simpler aero design, I fear the ridiculous width of 2009 rear wings will make the cars look disgrasfull, or at least badly proportionned.

Back to the roots of this thread, In my opinion the ugliest car design is probably RA108, while the ugliest livery title is in a fight between Renault's and Force India.

I might seem biased on this one, but best looking car for me is FW30, combining sharp design with a classy livery. Torro Rosso's livery is attractive too. F2008 was quite sexy also before the addition of the dorsal fin. Strangely this item is fitting some car better than some others. In Ferrari's case I find it horrible!

Oh and btw, what is this topic doing in "aerodynamics, chassis and tyres"? It should be in "General chat" I think.

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regardless of any bias i feel your right the FW30 is the most attractive. They seem to be rather quiet at the moment though. I can't help but get the feeling they are putting more energy in to the FW31 instead much in the way I belive honda have. Or at least I they have, I'd love to see Rosberg up the front, I think we all know he's capable of it.
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greenpower dude reloaded wrote:regardless of any bias i feel your right the FW30 is the most attractive. They seem to be rather quiet at the moment though. I can't help but get the feeling they are putting more energy in to the FW31 instead much in the way I belive honda have. Or at least I they have, I'd love to see Rosberg up the front, I think we all know he's capable of it.


See, that is the crux of F1. At half-season, if you are too far behind, you stop development, and work more on next years car, allowing this year to be another nothing year...

How many of those years in a row has Williams had these same results? 4?

I wish that the private teams had a chance, trust me, I am HUGE underdog supporter, but the fact of the matter is that they DON'T, and at this pace, never will.

I hope that the changes open the door for customer cars, and single car teams too.

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The ugliest: McLaren and Honda

The best: Ferrari, Toro Rosso, and Red Bull

By the way,... I think everyone hates the shark fins in EVERY car! But I guess we better get used to them because even if they bring a small gain aerodynamically the commercial gain is HUGE! Just look at the way the Marlboro logo looks with or without the fin.

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With a bit of luck shark fins will be KIA (killed in action) in November, together with the spoon front wings, the dumbo ears, and the if-any-mechanic-trips-over-here-it-will-kill-him appendices. I mean, current cars look like hedgehogs! I'm not totally joking, because Ferrari has covers for the "swept-wings" in the nose.

This is a ferrari:
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This is a red hedghehog:
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I admit I've been tempted to GIMP (similar to photoshop, but with a weird interface) additional red spikes into Kimi's car, but I guess you get the point.
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I think that the current cars look great! Shark fin, bridge wing, flip-ups...

It only goes to show that the pinnacle of motorsport has evolved ALOT in the last 30 years, and I am very happy that it has.

If they were to go back to simplicity, then they would no longer be leading-edge, and isn't that what F1 is supposed to be all about???

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Yeah, I see your point. But there is an inner daemon (UNIX-like, of course) shouting "keep it simple, stupid!". As an example, with Ptolomeus we had complex epicycloids:
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After Galileus we switched to...
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I know which one I prefer. Of course, then sir Isaac would come and distort the circles into conic curves but, what the heck, who is this Isaac after all?

From another point of view, I consider the current cars' shape a byproduct of the regulations, kinda like the neck of Giraffes. It is then my opinion that with a better set of regulations we'd get not only cleaner designs, but also slightly improved overtaking*, since smaller appendages are also more affected by "small" perturbations.

On the opposite side, I find it amusing how the design changed from "most downforce possible" in 2005 to "lotsa downforce but more efficient" in 2006 due to the loss of almost 200bhp.

* I feel effortless overtaking is actually bad for racing since it could order the cars from fastest to slowest in very few laps and then start a proccession that only random occurrence would change.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

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Actually the ugliest car of the season is the anvil-sidepod BMW.Sauber.ElectricShocker. :P

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Ugliest car: McLaren with the latest additions...it just looks horrid.
other ugly cars: Honda and Force India

Good looking cars: Williams and BMW Sauber. I'm not sure why I like the BMW, it has an "older"-style to it I like. (minus the horns)

As for the Shark/Dorsal fins. I think they work aesthetically on some cars and not on others.
I think it works on RBR and STR. Their livery lends itself to the design well.
They definetly do NOT work on Ferrari and Mclaren! #-o
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modbaraban wrote:Image

Actually the ugliest car of the season is the anvil-sidepod BMW.Sauber.ElectricShocker. :P
I like that car! :(
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Miguel wrote:
I know which one I prefer. Of course, then sir Isaac would come and distort the circles into conic curves but, what the heck, who is this Isaac after all?

From another point of view, I consider the current cars' shape a byproduct of the regulations, kinda like the neck of Giraffes. It is then my opinion that with a better set of regulations we'd get not only cleaner designs, but also slightly improved overtaking*, since smaller appendages are also more affected by "small" perturbations.

On the opposite side, I find it amusing how the design changed from "most downforce possible" in 2005 to "lotsa downforce but more efficient" in 2006 due to the loss of almost 200bhp.

* I feel effortless overtaking is actually bad for racing since it could order the cars from fastest to slowest in very few laps and then start a proccession that only random occurrence would change.
I think you're dead spot on.

Most of of flips up have no reason to exist other than the FIA decided to lower the rear wing and bring forward.

Most of the endplates would not be here if the front wing was wider.

There would be not so much edges on the diffuser entry of the volume of the later was not constrained and separated in two parts (the central and the laterals).

No, to me what is really sad is that 2009 regs are restrictive to death.

I find it ironic that the teams had to find restrictive rules to correct a problem that the FIA and teams created themselves.

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Ogami musashi wrote:
Miguel wrote:
I know which one I prefer. Of course, then sir Isaac would come and distort the circles into conic curves but, what the heck, who is this Isaac after all?

From another point of view, I consider the current cars' shape a byproduct of the regulations, kinda like the neck of Giraffes. It is then my opinion that with a better set of regulations we'd get not only cleaner designs, but also slightly improved overtaking*, since smaller appendages are also more affected by "small" perturbations.

On the opposite side, I find it amusing how the design changed from "most downforce possible" in 2005 to "lotsa downforce but more efficient" in 2006 due to the loss of almost 200bhp.

* I feel effortless overtaking is actually bad for racing since it could order the cars from fastest to slowest in very few laps and then start a proccession that only random occurrence would change.
I think you're dead spot on.

Most of of flips up have no reason to exist other than the FIA decided to lower the rear wing and bring forward.

Most of the endplates would not be here if the front wing was wider.

There would be not so much edges on the diffuser entry of the volume of the later was not constrained and separated in two parts (the central and the laterals).

No, to me what is really sad is that 2009 regs are restrictive to death.

I find it ironic that the teams had to find restrictive rules to correct a problem that the FIA and teams created themselves.
Quite. I fear that a) most cars will look even more similar next year and b) we will see much less advancement during a season (since aero and engine developments were the two biggest, not a lot can happen now).
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I have the same feeling, now the regs have some ambiguous parts.

Let's hope some loopholes.

Sticking back to the topic, i may be an aerodynamics fan, i think the actual cars look quite ugly except for two or three.

While i love the front wing and rear wing assemblies (which are really efficient) all the sidepods appendices are so ugly.

and now the shark fins...

The mclaren is one of the few where i find the flips up not so ugly.

The ugliest car for is the R28 at her latest state.

I find the F2008 becomes uglier and uglier which is sad because the front assembly is just beautiful.

on car that stays simple is the toyota.

And finally i find the red bulls being the car which the shark fin fits the most.


About the no wing cars; I love the design of those car like the ferrari 312, but i find them ugly because of their engine and exhausts being on the streamlines.

However a modern car along the same line would be very beautiful to me!

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Scotracer wrote:
Quite. I fear that a) most cars will look even more similar next year and b) we will see much less advancement during a season (since aero and engine developments were the two biggest, not a lot can happen now).
I disagree, the battle of the regenerative systems will be interesting I think. Along with more opportunity for the drivers to take risks.