Red Bull RB9 Renault

[gandharva]

There's video footage from the race right before the first safety car where it is exactly this hot. I'm btw not supporting any or other theory; it could very well be scraping the t-tray on the ground, while capacitors/resistors theories also sound plausible. I'm not dicussing that; all I know is that Webber, Vettel does not have the IR camera, scrapes the ground all race-weekend long. Could be explained by having a very stiff suspension which minimizes the effect of fuel on ride height, allowing them to run low all the time. Also factor in the rake.

If we had this camera on lotus early this year the complete t-tray and not only the bottom would have been yellow. Lotus had set up their car extremely low this year in some races. That t-tray even throwed out sparks.

while capacitors/resistors theories also sound plausible.

Not for me.

[turbof1]

There's video footage from the race right before the first safety car where it is exactly this hot. I'm btw not supporting any or other theory; it could very well be scraping the t-tray on the ground, while capacitors/resistors theories also sound plausible. I'm not dicussing that; all I know is that Webber, Vettel does not have the IR camera, scrapes the ground all race-weekend long. Could be explained by having a very stiff suspension which minimizes the effect of fuel on ride height, allowing them to run low all the time. Also factor in the rake.

If we had this camera on lotus early this year the complete t-tray and not only the bottom would have been yellow. Lotus had set up their car extremely low this year in some races. That t-tray even throwed out sparks.

while capacitors/resistors theories also sound plausible.

Not for me.

True. The IR camera is publicly a novelty feeding the community here with new information which we'll see further analysed. Expect next year to have more on this as we'll see it more widespread over the grid.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Occam's razor. It's quite clearly getting hot because of scrapping. The question is, do we see this on other cars with the IR camera fitted?

[turbof1]

Occam's razor. It's quite clearly getting hot because of scrapping. The question is, do we see this on other cars with the IR camera fitted?

Other cars with IR camera don't have a view on the splitter. I believe Massa had one fitted with a rearwards view, in Singapore, so if we could get his footage in the future and other cars are close behind him, we might get a good view on that.

[CBeck113]

Gary Anderson's analysis of the RB9 FW introduced in Korea, mainly the two new vertical strakes.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2796/vux5.jpg
via AutoSport

Did they run these in the race as well? Looks to me like a test for 2014, trying to overcome the additional 7.5cm toward the outside of the tire.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Did they run these in the race as well? Looks to me like a test for 2014, trying to overcome the additional 7.5cm toward the outside of the tire.

Yes they used them in Korea & I'm pretty sure they were used yesterday as well


Edit: yes definitely used in Japan as well. Image below is from yesterday


via Sutton

[gandharva]

Did they run these in the race as well? Looks to me like a test for 2014, trying to overcome the additional 7.5cm toward the outside of the tire.

Very insteresting theory. And could also be a smart move from RBR.

[The Pj]

The school of technique, Giorgio Piola, AUTOSPRINT 15 OTTOBRE
https://twitter.com/Pjdona/status/389859923544113153

[theWPTformula]

theWPTformula made an interesting blogpiece about the vertical vanes:

One of the vertical elements lies roughly in parallel with the endplate, the other (trailling element) is offset by quite an angle, around 45 degrees. I am not entirely sure what they are trying to achieve but I think the vane works in conjunction with the endplates and outboard elements of the wing to project flow around the front tyre more efficiently. Perhaps it does that by separating to the oncoming airflow out into two paths before converging creating a large vortex that helps the outwash of the wing. I am not entirely sure so do not quote me on it! I have not found another explanation, but if I do then I will edit this section.

http://thewptformula.wordpress.com/2013 ... ighlights/ (illustrations included)

The illustration isn't correct and therefore the complete analysis.

Illustration:
http://thewptformula.files.wordpress.co ... =625&h=412

Reality:
http://www.abload.de/img/rbrbwu17.jpg

I did mention in the article that I wasn't sure how it worked and that I was probably wrong. The illustration doesn't have to be to the nth degree of accuracy, it's only a basic drawing to help people understand what is potentially happening. And how does drawing something incorrectly completely write off the rest of the article? It was an opinion, not a fact.

I have recently posted more on this subject, and that may be incorrect too. I come on this forum to learn. Debate is part and parcel of this forum, I accept that. Please share with us your own explanations rather than just a picture of the wing...

Cheers,

Will

[Blackout]

What does Horner mean when he said to Brundle before the race 'our Kers is housed inside the gearbox' ? I thought only the betteries are placed around the G-box.

The school of technique, Giorgio Piola, AUTOSPRINT 15 OTTOBRE

https://twitter.com/Pjdona/status/389859923544113153

Is this the max resolution?: https://twitter.com/Pjdona/status/38985 ... to/1/large

Another comparison between RBR's RW in Suzuka, and the others





The RBR topped/equalled the best in every top speed ranking in Suzuka.

[AnthonyG]

This image came straight from the race in Korea:
http://www.formula1.com/wi/gi/WTyW/tvim ... ripic8.jpg

It's hotter then the tyre.

I like how you can see the inside of the brake duct this way.

[kris]

What does Horner mean when he said to Brundle before the race 'our Kers is housed inside the gearbox' ? I thought only the betteries are placed around the G-box.

The school of technique, Giorgio Piola, AUTOSPRINT 15 OTTOBRE

https://twitter.com/Pjdona/status/389859923544113153

Is this the max resolution?: https://twitter.com/Pjdona/status/38985 ... to/1/large

Another comparison between RBR's RW in Suzuka, and the others

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=14795526

The RBR topped/equalled the best in every top speed ranking in Suzuka.

The comparison picture shows Webbers car. I believe Webber had opted for a lower downforce rear wing and Vettel had used the desginated rear wing. Can we have a comparison pic with Vettels rear wing?

[Huntresa]

Yeah show Vettel cause mark did run low df.

[Blackout]

Indeed, Vettel ran a different RW but the difference is not that big. Still a slimmer RW than the others. VET's top speed was still amongst the best in Suzuka

[emmepi27]

And, also, the DRS flap of Vettel was a little bigger than Webber. The main profile has much camber (different end plate too). They have the same in Corea: