2019 United States Grand Prix - Austin, 1-3 November

[izzy]

I don't think any driver praised the new tyres, great job Pirelli.

it's not their job to make 'good' tyres. their role is to make tyres that degrade at a certain rate and get complained about massively

[ENGINE TUNER]

You are basically implying the same but the opposite way around.

So according to you the practice lap does matter and the tyre test doesn't?

Hamilton has got the title in the bag, calm down and let's appreciate what will be an epic IMO.

Yes because that actually makes sense.
2019 car + 2019 tyres + actual track we are racing on = real results.
A random test of 2020 tyres + 2019 car = suck it and see.

the actual point is the 2020 cars aren't different from the 2019 cars

They will have to be different because the 2020 tire is a very different construction. Supposedly it has much more sidewall flex.

[dans79]

Yeah I saw that, didn't Bottas have the same though at first?

He did, but his were in the bargeboard area. For Lewis they were behind the rear tires. You should not compare times between car setups like this because the positioning of the rigs will have a big impact on the cars.

[Capharol]

Yes because that actually makes sense.
2019 car + 2019 tyres + actual track we are racing on = real results.
A random test of 2020 tyres + 2019 car = suck it and see.

the actual point is the 2020 cars aren't different from the 2019 cars

They will have to be different because the 2020 tire is a very different construction. Supposedly it has much more sidewall flex.

i was just pointing out that Restomaniac wasn't 100% right with his statement.... of course the cars might change (be adapted) a small bit due to the new tyres, but there aren't massive changes like the last one or the up coming one

so the 2019 car stays as it is and therefor you can test 2020 tyres with 2019 car and have real results

[ENGINE TUNER]

the actual point is the 2020 cars aren't different from the 2019 cars

They will have to be different because the 2020 tire is a very different construction. Supposedly it has much more sidewall flex.

i was just pointing out that Restomaniac wasn't 100% right with his statement.... of course the cars might change (be adapted) a small bit due to the new tyres, but there aren't massive changes like the last one or the up coming one

so the 2019 car stays as it is and therefor you can test 2020 tyres with 2019 car and have real results

Apparently 2 of the 3 2019 cars testing the 2020 tires in Barcelona(or was is Paul ricard?) earlier this year had to be modified because the sidewall deflection was hitting the bodywork. This portends both aero and suspension changes for next year. And sidewall deflection is supposedly very difficult to model in the wind tunnel. We'll see.

[LM10]

I’m surprised there is a discussion going on about how Bottas might be strong enough to beat Hamilton.
Sadly, Bottas has never been a match for Hamilton and will never be one either. He might be there or thereabouts on qualifying pace this season, but his race pace and general skills as a whole package are way off his teammate’s.

I’d be very interested to see Max next to Hamilton in the same car, but I doubt that’s gonna happen. There is no better thing for a team to have one clear number one driver and a number two who does his job as a wingman like no one else. Both know their positions and the rest of the world does as well.

[Vettel165]

[Sevach]

That's gold lol.

[Restomaniac]

You are basically implying the same but the opposite way around.

So according to you the practice lap does matter and the tyre test doesn't?

Hamilton has got the title in the bag, calm down and let's appreciate what will be an epic IMO.

Yes because that actually makes sense.
2019 car + 2019 tyres + actual track we are racing on = real results.
A random test of 2020 tyres + 2019 car = suck it and see.

the actual point is the 2020 cars aren't different from the 2019 cars

Are you trying to suggest that teams won’t change their cars to suit different tyres in the current regulations.

[Juzh]

some fp2 laps

P01 hamilton usa fp2 1.33.232
https://streamable.com/2d5h3


P02 leclerc usa fp2 1.33.533
https://streamable.com/ylrly


P03 verstappen usa fp2 1.33.547
https://streamable.com/5a8f3

[Capharol]

Yes because that actually makes sense.
2019 car + 2019 tyres + actual track we are racing on = real results.
A random test of 2020 tyres + 2019 car = suck it and see.

the actual point is the 2020 cars aren't different from the 2019 cars

Are you trying to suggest that teams won’t change their cars to suit different tyres in the current regulations.

I suggest that teams ALWAYS try to change the car to the best..... and without great rulechanges, THESE cars are the basic for next year, there are NO MASSIVE changes to the 2020 car in comparison with the 2019 car, only the tyre will change but nothing else

[Restomaniac]

the actual point is the 2020 cars aren't different from the 2019 cars

Are you trying to suggest that teams won’t change their cars to suit different tyres in the current regulations.

I suggest that teams ALWAYS try to change the car to the best..... and without great rulechanges, THESE cars are the basic for next year, there are NO MASSIVE changes to the 2020 car in comparison with the 2019 car, only the tyre will change but nothing else

Even though there been numerous reports of the cars having to be modified to use them in previous tests? We’re not talking about road tyres where you only need to make sure the tyres are the same size and drive.

[Capharol]

Are you trying to suggest that teams won’t change their cars to suit different tyres in the current regulations.

I suggest that teams ALWAYS try to change the car to the best..... and without great rulechanges, THESE cars are the basic for next year, there are NO MASSIVE changes to the 2020 car in comparison with the 2019 car, only the tyre will change but nothing else

Even though there been numerous reports of the cars having to be modified to use them in previous tests? Were not talking about road tyres where you only need to make sure the tyres are the same size and drive.

you're implying i am dumb and have never seen F1?

i kno what all is changing and i know they have to adapt the 2019 car to the 2020 tyre but as you have noticed they devolped the car ALL YEAR and even with these 2019 tyres they struggled at the start and some still struggle


But lets get back to Topic .....

[Restomaniac]

I suggest that teams ALWAYS try to change the car to the best..... and without great rulechanges, THESE cars are the basic for next year, there are NO MASSIVE changes to the 2020 car in comparison with the 2019 car, only the tyre will change but nothing else

Even though there been numerous reports of the cars having to be modified to use them in previous tests? Were not talking about road tyres where you only need to make sure the tyres are the same size and drive.

you're implying i am dumb and have never seen F1?

i kno what all is changing and i know they have to adapt the 2019 car to the 2020 tyre but as you have noticed they devolped the car ALL YEAR and even with these 2019 tyres they struggled at the start and some still struggle

Then it’s obvious that sticking 2020 tyres on 2019 cars isn’t going to give a true comparison in these tests. As I said unlike a 2019 tyre on a 2019 car in these free practices.

[PlatinumZealot]

We will see Wass85

As for this weekend, If Bottas doesn't get within a couple of tenths of Lewis, you will look a little bit silly.

Yep we will see. If Hamilton beats Bottas by 5 tenths then I will eat my hat, there's nothing between them in qualifying and to get gaps like that something is not right for the trailing driver.

My friend. I thought you would know by now to never bet against Hamilton.

How large is this hat of yours now? And is it made of felt?