2015 Singapore Grand Prix - 18-20 September

[Jordan44]

I thought this was supposed to be a technical forum. I expected better than you guys, believing in these stupid conspiracy theories.

http://i.imgur.com/p0Bhc8W.jpg

Completely different scenario. That picture describes a team taking an action to GAIN an advantage, not giving up their advantage to keep others happy...

[Chene_Mostert]

If you don't get the tyres into the right working range they are miles off the ultimate pace. It could be easily 1.5 seconds.

So by accidental "miss implementation" of the new tyre pressure requirements Mercedes AMG F1 actually gained an advantage at the Monza GP?

[wickedz50]

Makes me wonder whether something political is going on behind the scenes and not technical as bhall has pointed out.

Yes, Now that Toto and Lauda managed to eliminate the title threat from Nico, Lewis has his title "secured", so they had a board meeting and decided to "throw" a couple of races, just looking after the best interest of the sport.
With odds as they are at the moment the can also boost their budget by betting on the opposition.

Merc board will sack the duo if that be the case, there is something called an integrity still left in this sport.

[Jordan44]

If you don't get the tyres into the right working range they are miles off the ultimate pace. It could be easily 1.5 seconds.

So by accidental "miss implementation" of the new tyre pressure requirements Mercedes AMG F1 actually gained an advantage at the Monza GP?

Firstly I didn't say anything about pressures, it could be car setup that makes it difficult for them to get heat into the tyres. Secondly, did you not read the conclusion? Mercedes set their pressures correctly in the garage supervised by Pirelli, the FIA confirmed as much. Mercedes didn't interpret them wrong, the process was just plain wrong.

[bhall II]

Completely different scenario. That picture describes a team taking an action to GAIN an advantage, not giving up their advantage to keep others happy...

It's in Mercedes' best interests to maintain the status quo for as long as possible, because any changes to the rules would threaten the team's position at the head of the class.

That said, I really don't have an opinion here one way or the other beyond a recognition that there's value in manipulating the results and that doing so is not without precedent.

[dans79]

If you don't get the tyres into the right working range they are miles off the ultimate pace. It could be easily 1.5 seconds.

I concur, specially on a track like this with a lot of low speed traction events.

[dans79]

And Lewis himself says they couldn't heat the tires.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/330372/

[AnthonyG]

And Lewis himself says they couldn't heat the tires.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/330372/

That's not what he says.

[Chene_Mostert]

"The tyres for some reason aren't working on our car – it's weird," said Hamilton, as he reflected on qualifying.

"You heat them up the same as everyone else, you do your warm-up laps same as everyone else, and then you finish the lap, and you see somebody else a second up the road."

Sounds like Mercedes AMG F1 has difficulty "understanding" the tyres. We might even witnesses another secret "black helmet" test. In the interest of safety of course...

[Jordan44]

And Lewis himself says they couldn't heat the tires.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/330372/

That's not what he says.

The article doesn't make it very clear, but it's definitely what he was saying to the media.

[TAG]

Sounds like Mercedes AMG F1 has difficulty "understanding" the tyres. We might even witnesses another secret "black helmet" test. In the interest of safety of course...

I was thinking more along the lines of a convenient FiA/Pirelli tire pressure mandate to help the red cars along. In the interest of safety of course...

[atanatizante]

http://i.imgur.com/NEfTHvc.jpg

S1 Ham 27,9 and Ver 28,3 ... Renault is down on power 312 vs 320kph
S2 Ham 40,4 and Ver 40,4 ... what? ... they are 10kph down on speed trap
S3 Ham 36,9 and Ver 36,8 ... what?!?!?!?! same 10kph down

But more interesting is Verstappen's Q3 sector times vs Bottas, Massa and Grosjean ..

So we need to dig a bit deeper in order to see the big picture and see what was happening for the whole weekend until now ...
And I am with Ringo here who was saying it's their turbo issue, but in addition I think it's more with the new PU spec after Monza issue which is forcing them to run it here detuned rather then tyre pressures (no normal pressure could make 1,5s difference ) or suspension setup could do that as Paul di Resta was implying ... after all a softer one help them with improved traction in slow corners after all, isn't it?
Nonetheless, maybe Merc boys did screw up with their suspension setup but I doubt Williams, Lotus and FI did that as well ...
And also we the 2 stop vs 3 one doesn't stand up ...

[Sevach]

Sounds like Mercedes AMG F1 has difficulty "understanding" the tyres. We might even witnesses another secret "black helmet" test. In the interest of safety of course...

I was thinking more along the lines of a convenient FiA/Pirelli tire pressure mandate to help the red cars along. In the interest of safety of course...

Because Pirelli has been extremely helpful to Ferrari since coming into F1

His story makes more sense than yours, Mercedes actually did those things and intentionally or not let pressure bleed out on the preceding race.

[Jordan44]

http://i.imgur.com/NEfTHvc.jpg

S1 Ham 27,9 and Ver 28,3 ... Renault is down on power 312 vs 320kph
S2 Ham 40,4 and Ver 40,4 ... what? ... they are 10kph down on speed trap
S3 Ham 36,9 and Ver 36,8 ... what?!?!?!?! same 10kph down

But more interesting is Verstappen's Q3 sector times vs Bottas, Massa and Grosjean ..

So we need to dig a bit deeper in order to see the big picture and see what was happening for the whole weekend until now ...
And I am with Ringo here who was saying it's their turbo issue, but in addition I think it's more with the new PU spec after Monza issue which is forcing them to run it here detuned rather then tyre pressures (no normal pressure could make 1,5s difference ) or suspension setup could do that as Paul di Resta was implying ... after all a softer one help them with improved traction in slow corners after all, isn't it?
Nonetheless, maybe Merc boys did screw up with their suspension setup but I doubt Williams, Lotus and FI did that as well ...
And also we the 2 stop vs 3 one doesn't stand up ...

Those teams don't have the new power unit either though, so I don't think it can be attributed to that.

[Chene_Mostert]

And Lewis himself says they couldn't heat the tires.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/330372/

That's not what he says.

The article doesn't make it very clear, but it's definitely what he was saying to the media.

The article is very clear:
"The tyres for some reason aren't working on our car – it's weird," said Hamilton, as he reflected on qualifying.

"You heat them up the same as everyone else, you do your warm-up laps same as everyone else, and then you finish the lap, and you see somebody else a second up the road."

He said the tyres are not working...