2014 Testing - Bahrain 19-22 Feb

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Has anybody seen marbles from the tyres on the track?
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motobaleno wrote: anyone knows about mercedes?
According to AMuS only Mag and Hulk were on SS, Alonso and Koba on Soft. The Rest was Medium.
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2nd day is over... here are the final results from today

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f1316 wrote:Any news on the tyres for Alonso's last run? He was fastest of all in the middle sector, so you'd imagine either soft or super soft.
Alonso sets the fastest middle sector time on soft tyres
why 1.6 seconds slower than maganussen, sandbagging or another?

what do you think?

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diemaster wrote: Alonso sets the fastest middle sector time on soft tyres
why 1.6 seconds slower than maganussen, sandbagging or another?

what do you think?
Nothing, it's testing. So Times are widespread. Different Fuel Loads, Engine Maps, Aero testing..... So much Variables.

Caterham could've built the fastest Car on the Grid come Australia.... (ok that was overexaggerating but still... )
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mclaren_mircea wrote:
Thunders wrote:AMuS states Soft too for Alonso.
Thanks :)

I'm relieved :D So Magnussen's time of -1606 on super softs is superior to Alonso's time on soft. If we take -800 the difference between softs and super softs it will still remain almost a full second in Kevin's favour =D>
Kevin's time was set on a 5 lap stint, while Alonso's time on a 6 lap stins, so the fuel have to be the same [-o<
Jesus guys, you realise that times are utterly irrelevant right now? And will be till last two days of second Bahrain test... Alonso was faster than anyone on soft tyre (Kevin was on supersoft) in the middle sector, so obviously nothing can be taken from these times yet... Nobody is pushing yet, McLaren is doing this to get the headlines, as was Force India yesterday. You really think Mercedes will be slower than these two cars, having both bigger budget and being works team?
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diemaster wrote:
f1316 wrote:Any news on the tyres for Alonso's last run? He was fastest of all in the middle sector, so you'd imagine either soft or super soft.
Alonso sets the fastest middle sector time on soft tyres
why 1.6 seconds slower than maganussen, sandbagging or another?

what do you think?
It may be simply that the Mclaren is definetely a better car

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We've seen just a glimpse of what one car can do. Others are doing different work.

My general impression is that mclaren is the fastest, but ferrari and mercedes are always near. Then we have williams and force india, followed by sauber, then the group of renault teams, with marussia and caterham at the back.

But it's all relative. Things are never what they seem to be during testing.
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Vanja #66 wrote:
mclaren_mircea wrote:
Thunders wrote:AMuS states Soft too for Alonso.
Thanks :)

I'm relieved :D So Magnussen's time of -1606 on super softs is superior to Alonso's time on soft. If we take -800 the difference between softs and super softs it will still remain almost a full second in Kevin's favour =D>
Kevin's time was set on a 5 lap stint, while Alonso's time on a 6 lap stins, so the fuel have to be the same [-o<
Jesus guys, you realise that times are utterly irrelevant right now? And will be till last two days of second Bahrain test... Alonso was faster than anyone on soft tyre (Kevin was on supersoft) in the middle sector, so obviously nothing can be taken from these times yet... Nobody is pushing yet, McLaren is doing this to get the headlines, as was Force India yesterday. You really think Mercedes will be slower than these two cars, having both bigger budget and being works team?

Despite Mclaren's faillure in 2013, in all this years Mclaren have better cars than Ferrari and Mercedes despite not beeing a works team. Yeah, Alonso is far more complete than Hamilton and Button, but just regarding the car, the Mclaren was superior to Ferrari as pure performance Craig Scarbough said that mp4-29 looks the most developed and refined car to all the other 2014 cars. Let's don't judge Mclaren just by the faillure of mp-28. In all this Newey era, 2009-2013, Mclaren's 2012 car, mp4-27, was the only car superior to a Red Bull during the course of the whole season. I firmly believe that Mclaren's designers can make a faster car than what Aldo Costa and Geoff Willis can produce if they don't try revolutions with pull-rod, heigh nose etc, and they go for a calculated approach.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k72osbCYBv0[/youtube]

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Cool video. If in HD :-(

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diemaster wrote:
f1316 wrote:Any news on the tyres for Alonso's last run? He was fastest of all in the middle sector, so you'd imagine either soft or super soft.
Alonso sets the fastest middle sector time on soft tyres
why 1.6 seconds slower than maganussen, sandbagging or another?

what do you think?
Basically Ferrari is not looking for a sponsor, while McL is.

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This website used to post the times AND every lap and run each car did. do you know where we can find that ?
http://www.msfree.gr/f1

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321apex wrote:
diemaster wrote:
f1316 wrote:Any news on the tyres for Alonso's last run? He was fastest of all in the middle sector, so you'd imagine either soft or super soft.
Alonso sets the fastest middle sector time on soft tyres
why 1.6 seconds slower than maganussen, sandbagging or another?

what do you think?
Basically Ferrari is not looking for a sponsor, while McL is.

Mclaren's budget this year is bigger than in every year in their whole history. Look on their respective websites, Mclaren has more sponsors then Ferrari and Red Bull. Plus the +100 millions from Honda.
It's much more likely another posibillity: that Ferrari did not make a better job, and that their problems are much more structural than what they let us to know the correlation and the wind tunnel. It's more likely their problems are deep in their engineering department. Mclaren used the Toyota's Wind Tunnel in Koln, and that was the place where Mp4-27 was designed and developed during the whole 2012 season, so it's not the wind tunnel fault or correlation. The data from Koln's wind tunnel was set up and used in Mclaren's facilities at Woking. Mp4-28's faillure was not down to the wind tunnel, but that Mclaren has a history of low chassis, low noses, push-rod suspension. Pat Fry in the single moment of naivity/sincerity, said that their inability to develop the car in 2013 was not because of the wind tunnel, but because the development paths they took with the car after Spain. So, the brains, not the facilities are the problem.