2014 Chinese Grand Prix - Shanghai

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since Lewis did little running, I expect his setup is very similar to Nico's. Thus they will both go forward or backwards depending on the strength of the base setup.
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Kiril Varbanov wrote:RBR has had fuel flow sensor issues again in Q1.
Renault are now blaming their fuel supplier, Total. Supposedly there is something in Total's gasoline mixture that eats away at the rubber o rings leading to incorrect readings.

I have read conflicting sources that say this problem is with Total, and they need to fix their gasoline and sources that say its Gill's problem and they need to fix their sensors rubber parts. Who knows.

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Well obviously its anyones fault BUT Renaults.. :roll:

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beelsebob wrote:
zeph wrote:I don't know the particulars of Raikkonen's struggles, but to be this far off the pace from Alonso begs the question, just how bad is that Ferrari really, or just how good is Alonso?

I have always rated Raikkonen highly, and perhaps he just has more trouble adjusting to the new formula, but I'd expected him to have sorted it out by now and draw closer to his teammate.
To be honest, as sad as it is, I think all we're seeing is that Kimi is maybe not quite as good a driver as we might have thought he was in the past. He's still a pretty damn good driver, he's just not up there on the level of Alonso and Hamilton.
I think we are jumping conclusions way too quickly here....the cars (even the Merc) are not optimised in any way. Every weekend the cars perform with slight malfunctions. Especially the electronics play tricks all the time. I doubt that Raikkonen is a full second slower. He was a bit unclever by overtaking Massa, he should have waited on the straight already, warming up tires and go for it...

The difference between a perfectly working car and one with some issues are huge. Other than the Merc there is always something. Hulk is not that much better than Perez, Ricciardo is not 6 tenths quicker than Vettel.

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ecapox wrote: Renault are now blaming their fuel supplier, Total. Supposedly there is something in Total's gasoline mixture that eats away at the rubber o rings leading to incorrect readings.
This is not correct, the FIA was the one that said it was a problem with the fuel. Also it doesn't cause incorrect readings, it kills the sensor completely.
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dans79 wrote:
ecapox wrote: Renault are now blaming their fuel supplier, Total. Supposedly there is something in Total's gasoline mixture that eats away at the rubber o rings leading to incorrect readings.
This is not correct, the FIA was the one that said it was a problem with the fuel. Also it doesn't cause incorrect readings, it kills the sensor completely.
I thought the FIA said the problem may be with teams altering the sensors? Specifically Red Bull making alterations to a tube between sensors and if it is not exactly right, makes the sensors faulty.
Felipe Baby!

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Mandrake wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
zeph wrote:I don't know the particulars of Raikkonen's struggles, but to be this far off the pace from Alonso begs the question, just how bad is that Ferrari really, or just how good is Alonso?

I have always rated Raikkonen highly, and perhaps he just has more trouble adjusting to the new formula, but I'd expected him to have sorted it out by now and draw closer to his teammate.
To be honest, as sad as it is, I think all we're seeing is that Kimi is maybe not quite as good a driver as we might have thought he was in the past. He's still a pretty damn good driver, he's just not up there on the level of Alonso and Hamilton.
I think we are jumping conclusions way too quickly here....the cars (even the Merc) are not optimised in any way. Every weekend the cars perform with slight malfunctions. Especially the electronics play tricks all the time. I doubt that Raikkonen is a full second slower. He was a bit unclever by overtaking Massa, he should have waited on the straight already, warming up tires and go for it...

The difference between a perfectly working car and one with some issues are huge. Other than the Merc there is always something. Hulk is not that much better than Perez, Ricciardo is not 6 tenths quicker than Vettel.
A driver's ability to drive around imperfections is a valid metric for comparing performance. If I race f1 drivers on the straightest track and I achieve the same lap time, am I somehow as good as they are?..no. Its the challenges that seperate the pretenders from the real deal.

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dans79 wrote:
ecapox wrote: Renault are now blaming their fuel supplier, Total. Supposedly there is something in Total's gasoline mixture that eats away at the rubber o rings leading to incorrect readings.
This is not correct, the FIA was the one that said it was a problem with the fuel. Also it doesn't cause incorrect readings, it kills the sensor completely.
Yep. I read it incorrectly.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113545

Interesting then, how it was the FIA Technical delegate that figured out it was the fuel. I wonder why no other Renault team noticed it. Maybe they knew but didn't want to divulge specifics about the composition of their fuel. I wonder what the chemical is and exactly why Total's fuel has it while none of the other suppliers have it.

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SiLo wrote:
dans79 wrote:
ecapox wrote: Renault are now blaming their fuel supplier, Total. Supposedly there is something in Total's gasoline mixture that eats away at the rubber o rings leading to incorrect readings.
This is not correct, the FIA was the one that said it was a problem with the fuel. Also it doesn't cause incorrect readings, it kills the sensor completely.
I thought the FIA said the problem may be with teams altering the sensors? Specifically Red Bull making alterations to a tube between sensors and if it is not exactly right, makes the sensors faulty.
It's both
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113545
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Raikkonen and Alonso yet to compete on "equal" cars. Each time so far, one of them suffered from a problem.

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Post-reading through FIA's notes, all cars are now running exactly the same ECU software version - SR629.

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Morning everybody, im ready. Anybody else watching Sky?

The battle between the Rb's and Mercs will be good today.
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Supporting: Ham/Alo/Kimi/Ros/Seb/Hulk/Ric/Mag

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Emerson.F wrote:Morning everybody, im ready. Anybody else watching Sky?
irc://irc.quakenet.org/#f1technical

Come join us.

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Kiril Varbanov
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All the Ferrari-powered cars had spark plug changes overnight.

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Kiril Varbanov wrote:All the Ferrari-powered cars had spark plug changes overnight.
I don't know about the other Ferrari-powered cars, but at the Ferrari team they do it every gp :?