2018 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa Francorchamps, 24-26 August

[rifrafs2kees]

Imagine if in the turn where Lewis went wide,was gravel and not asphalt.
Hockheneim 2.0

You think he wouldn't have reduced his exposure to risk by taking it easier if there was gravel?

[siskue2005]

I know what you mean. But can you explain me Force Indias at second row then, if the ability of the driver was the most important factor today? (Not talking about general rainy conditions, just today.)

Who said it is ONLY coz of the drivers?
Usually in dry nowadays it is 90% car and rest drivers ....but in rain it is 60 % car and rest up to the drivers

And talking about today the FIndia and Vettel did an extra lap...that is how they got the positions

90% car? Ok then.

The conditions today changed extremely fast. Those who have been on the Inters for several laps in a row probably stressed the tyres too much as the track was drying, so an extra lap wouldn't have helped much either. Others couldn't do another lap because their teams did a mistake and so on. Like I said, pure chaos.

So u r saying it is 100% car in dry? So I can have a go in vettel's car and win the race?

[LM10]

What exactly was equalised, if I may ask? Once again, it was just pure chaos. Force Indias at 3 and 4 shows that pretty well.

Dramatic phrasing, but specifically the advantage of the machinery was equalised, of course. Everyone had four wheels and engine power was no longer as important as in the dry. Some software and stuff is there for aid, sure, but it can't incorporate intuition, "feel", all that years of experience coming together and making a decision. There's no traction control either. As aforementioned, the ability of the driver is much more important. As shown by Kimi, Hamilton and many others whenever it rains.

You are a bit off in this case. Chassis still remains a factor in rainy conditions - every single car has different ride hight, rake, suspension geometry, spring stiffness etc. Some perform better on a wet rack, some not! (and engine mapping, torque is not insignicant either)

True. Actually it's very surprising that some people seem to just look at driver performance as if the cars turn into the exact same cars when it's wet. In fact, they still remain completely different cars from each other which do have completely different characteristics. Not to forget warming up the tyres, which is at least as important on wet tyres as it is on slicks.

[LM10]

Who said it is ONLY coz of the drivers?
Usually in dry nowadays it is 90% car and rest drivers ....but in rain it is 60 % car and rest up to the drivers

And talking about today the FIndia and Vettel did an extra lap...that is how they got the positions

90% car? Ok then.

The conditions today changed extremely fast. Those who have been on the Inters for several laps in a row probably stressed the tyres too much as the track was drying, so an extra lap wouldn't have helped much either. Others couldn't do another lap because their teams did a mistake and so on. Like I said, pure chaos.

So u r saying it is 100% car in dry? So I can have a go in vettel's car and win the race?

Funny guy.

[siskue2005]

And why does everyone going crazy about the force India's? There was 4 top cars missing in the qualy, and they were 3.4 sec behind the pole lap...they would only have been 7th and 8 th out of 10 cars

[Restomaniac]

Imagine if in the turn where Lewis went wide,was gravel and not asphalt.
Hockheneim 2.0

And if my Uncle had different bits he would be my Aunt. He doesn’t though......So he’s still my Uncle.

[justmoi]

What exactly was equalised, if I may ask? Once again, it was just pure chaos. Force Indias at 3 and 4 shows that pretty well.

Dramatic phrasing, but specifically the advantage of the machinery was equalised, of course. Everyone had four wheels and engine power was no longer as important as in the dry. Some software and stuff is there for aid, sure, but it can't incorporate intuition, "feel", all that years of experience coming together and making a decision. There's no traction control either. As aforementioned, the ability of the driver is much more important. As shown by Kimi, Hamilton and many others whenever it rains.

I know what you mean. But can you explain me Force Indias at second row then, if the ability of the driver was the most important factor today? (Not talking about general rainy conditions, just today.)

This dude you always come up with the wildest theories. Kimi and the redbulls ran out of fuel. Bottas didn't run. Force India most likely would have finished 7th and 8th otherwise.

Yes they were 3rd and 4th, but they were nearly four seconds adrift.

[LM10]

And why does everyone going crazy about the force India's? There was 4 top cars missing in the qualy, and they were 3.4 sec behind the pole lap...they would only have been 7th and 8 th out of 10 cars

But they didn't, which shows that it was pure chaos ongoing. No equalising whatsoever. Do you understand what I mean now?

[MtthsMlw]

Looks like Vettel ran out of battery at Blanchimont. I wonder how much time that cost him.

[GrandAxe]

The very best surely rise to the top in the wet. How I wish it would rain tomorrow!
Rain would add a lot of spice, especially with Kimi and both Red Bull's out of position because they ran out of fuel.

I guess a wet race would hand an easy win to Lewis though. Kimi and Vettel are rubbish in the rain (especially Kimi), while Max is great, but has a an aggressive dry setup. Ricciardo is average in the wet, but has the same aggressive dry setup as Max.

[Juzh]

Hamilton 100% flat trough puohon on his Q2 run

HQ: https://streamable.com/0yk0w

[thetruth]

Imagine if in the turn where Lewis went wide,was gravel and not asphalt.
Hockheneim 2.0

And if my Uncle had different bits he would be my Aunt. He doesn’t though......So he’s still my Uncle.

But your uncle is a handsome girl already

[siskue2005]

And why does everyone going crazy about the force India's? There was 4 top cars missing in the qualy, and they were 3.4 sec behind the pole lap...they would only have been 7th and 8 th out of 10 cars

But they didn't, which shows that it was pure chaos ongoing. No equalising whatsoever. Do you understand what I mean now?

They didn't coz Bottas had pently and he didn't run.
Red bulls and Kimi got shafted by their teams.

And it was chaos for viewers but for people in the team it was not so... u saw how calmly they were adjusting vettel's and Lewis car.

I know what u r trying hard to do.... derating Lewis pole .... but not gonna happen as long as there are fair f1 fans watching the sport.

[MtthsMlw]

Hamilton 100% flat trough puohon on his Q2 run

HQ: https://streamable.com/0yk0w

https://streamable.com/0yk0w

Amazing
Anyone else flat through there?

[Restomaniac]

Imagine if in the turn where Lewis went wide,was gravel and not asphalt.
Hockheneim 2.0

And if my Uncle had different bits he would be my Aunt. He doesn’t though......So he’s still my Uncle.

But your uncle is a handsome girl already

You’ve clearly not seen my Uncle.
Still valid though. What if’s are pointless.