British GP 2010 - Silverstone

[myurr]

I have always held Webber blameless for that one. Or did you mean to ask WhiteBlue?

Sorry yeah, that was the intention.

[The FOZ]

A very interesting race, while I'm not backing Webber/RB for any titles this season, I did want to see Webber win this race. Justice served, I think.

A season or so ago, I thought Alonso was genuinely maturing - learning that his point of view isn't the only one in the Universe, learning how to coexist peacefuly with teammates and his team, that sort of thing. Looks like he's swung the other way again, though.

He may have been forced off the track by Kubica. But the bottom line is, he extracted an advantage from it by passing Kubica while off the track, then continued to benefit against the ENTIRE field because he was no longer held up behind a slower car and was making up time.

He could have chosen not to take the lead while he was off the track, or he could have given back the place immediately. Both ways, he could have tried overtaking again.

As luck would have had it, Kubica's car was about to self destruct anyhow, so one way or another, Alonso was going to get through within the next few laps.

By doing things as he did, Alonso did expose himself to the chances of a penalty.

He was unlucky enough that a SC period occurred before he could serve the penalty.

Luck could have gone either way for Alonso today, but by making a bad decision, he exposed himself to a penalty, and then an unlucky SC period made the penalty very costly.

On a broader note, much of the fanboyism in this thread can be completely refuted by referencing specific rules of F1. Perhaps we might all maker ourselves more familiar with the rules, saving ourselves the paranoia of feeling that our favorite driver(s) or team(s) is being conspired against?

[Shaddock]

On the radio 5 commentary, Antony Davidson stated that it had to be the left front of Hamilton's wing as drivers had been running over the kerbs in the first corner all weekend and there had been no punctures.

But neither driver felt a collision, LH's wing was undamaged, and the video evidence (onboard) is inconclusive.

Is there an overhead shot of the start that's knocking around?

[WhiteBlue]

plenty space for Vettel to go inside of Sutil



Sutil starts to turn in



Vettel is half way alongside



Sutil drives into Vettel although he has plenty of room to use on the outside



they bump and Sutil lost all momentum



evolving



Vettel gets ahead



done

[myurr]

On the radio 5 commentary, Antony Davidson stated that it had to be the left front of Hamilton's wing as drivers had been running over the kerbs in the first corner all weekend and there had been no punctures.

But neither driver felt a collision, LH's wing was undamaged, and the video evidence (onboard) is inconclusive.

Is there an overhead shot of the start that's knocking around?

I haven't seen one that showed anything in enough detail to be conclusive. Hamilton's wing did wobble so I'd guess there was a very slight contact, but it was clearly a racing incident rather than anything sinister. Vettel was just unlucky with the puncture, but from my point of view it was beautiful poetic justice.

[myurr]

WhiteBlue is it not your belief that in that situation Vettel should have yielded? Afterall Sutil was ahead and entitled to follow any line he pleases into the corner. You stated this was your belief when criticising Webber in Turkey for not yielding to Vettel.

[Shaddock]

The best way to describe the move was clumsy. Seb locks a wheel in the first shot and was lucky not to take both of them off.

[andrew]

On the radio 5 commentary, Antony Davidson stated that it had to be the left front of Hamilton's wing as drivers had been running over the kerbs in the first corner all weekend and there had been no punctures.

But neither driver felt a collision, LH's wing was undamaged, and the video evidence (onboard) is inconclusive.

Is there an overhead shot of the start that's knocking around?

It is possible if the end plate slices the tyre that Hamilton could get away with no damage. In Vettel's post race interview he did mention something about Hamilton in relation to his puncture but I can't remember exactly what he said. An overhead shot and/or a video link would be useful for this.

As for Vettel's pass on Sutil, there is nothing wrong with it at all. It was firm but fair and how passing should be done.

[WhiteBlue]

Watching the onboard from Hamilton's car it certainly looks to have been from his front wing. There is an obvious puff of smoke. It must have been quite a soft touch though because Hamilton's wing didn't appear to shed any pieces.

Possibly weakened the tyre, which was further weakened with the run over the curb, and then disintegrated under load through the next sequence of corners?

No, the way I saw it Hamilton didn't use the space to go to the inside of copse. Right rear tyre of Vettel made contact with his left front wing endplate. He later found damage there in parc ferme I read. Tyre had gone off the rim already 150 m further down the road if I saw it right in the replay.

[WhiteBlue]

The best way to describe the move was clumsy. Seb locks a wheel in the first shot and was lucky not to take both of them off.

Sorry to disagree there but Seb is under control as we can see from pic 1 to pic 2. He is turning in and not sliding straight. Sutil
was asleep and left the door open. He then turned in too sharp to leave Vettel enough room and caused the collision. Where should have Seb gone? He was committed for a huge gap that was definitely there. Adrian cannot take the racing line when someone is halfway alongside inside of him.

[Giblet]

Sutil braked too late and too hard as evidenced by the tire smoke. He pushed too hard to put his car there, and went in too hot. Clumsy overtaking as usual.

Stuffing your nose into a wedge is not a recipe for a good pass, it's a recipe for an accident. Sutil was ahead and of course was going to turn in, as he was ahead until they bumped. Sutil has defended clumsily before, and a smart racer would think of this.

[Giblet]

On a positive note, seeing Sir Stirling Moss presenting the trophy to Hamilton showing he is no worse for wear after his fall was quite nice.

[Shaddock]

As for Vettel's pass on Sutil, there is nothing wrong with it at all. It was firm but fair and how passing should be done.

It is but you shouldn't collide, leave that sort of racing to the touring car boys.

[Shaddock]

Sutil braked too late and too hard as evidenced by the tire smoke. He pushed too hard to put his car there, and went in too hot. Clumsy overtaking as usual.

You mean Seb?

[Giblet]

Sutil braked too late and too hard as evidenced by the tire smoke. He pushed too hard to put his car there, and went in too hot. Clumsy overtaking as usual.

You mean Seb?

Yes yes, Seb.