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Helped somewhat by the heated battles between Verstappen and Hamilton seen throughout the 2021 Formula One championship, criticism on race director Michael Masi has mounted. But what next after the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix?
Agreed!langedweil wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 22:27You may have just put up probably the best post of the thread ...
I heard Massi got new job, an admin.
Which is massively frustrating at times
Could you imagine the confusion on the forumsosic2121 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 00:04I heard Massi got new job, an admin.
Maybe that's the reason...
Best advised to keep quiet at the momentKeiKo403 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 00:38https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/32 ... t-red-bull
Ladies & Gentlemen, I give you your 2021 Formula 1 Champion....MV saying Mercedes aren't gracious in defeat. It's like being called a snitch if you call the police after being mugged or assaulted!
Something, something, Ron DennisPlatinumZealot wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 21:23We also heard some rumours that some people think Toto Wolff thinks he is the most powerful guy in F1, and there are powers that want to bring him back to earth.
Well, I highly doubt that any lawsuit would use this forum as a reliable source for that. So in hiding any malfeasance (beautiful word by the way) it would not make much of a difference.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 22:38Yes. Wouldn't want evidence of malfeasance coming to the fore, would we?langedweil wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 22:27You may have just put up probably the best post of the thread ...
Exactly, just goes to show how crucial Checo's role was in Max maintaining track position that put Ham/Merc in a precarious situation. Imagine if it was Max in front unable to pit and Lewis on fresh tires with 5 cars in between. We would hear the same "let them race, clear the back markers, don't let it end on yellow". Red Bull were in a nothing to lose position being in 2nd, able to react to what Mercedes didn't do. Mercedes went conservative and tried to play it safe, hoping the race would end on safety car. Either way race control and stewards would have been in the same position. What they should have considered was let the back markers through on lap 56 in a safe manner past the scene of the crash, which was largely cleared up. If they had, the result would still have been Max right behind Lewis on fresh tires, and very likely the same result. Karma and luck played in Max's favor, it could easily have been Hamilton benefiting from the situation if he was behind Max. Honestly it feels right considering how much bad luck Max had with Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary. Had he not been shafted in those three races it would have been a double championship. And Max still did have to make the pass on track, it wasn't gifted. They took that gamble to be on the faster compound without knowing if the race would resume. The gamble paid off.
How can everyone bring up Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary and ignore Spa, Brazil (and let's be real, he should have been penalized at Barcelona too), and Saudi Arabia?ispano6 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 01:26Exactly, just goes to show how crucial Checo's role was in Max maintaining track position that put Ham/Merc in a precarious situation. Imagine if it was Max in front unable to pit and Lewis on fresh tires with 5 cars in between. We would hear the same "let them race, clear the back markers, don't let it end on yellow". Red Bull were in a nothing to lose position being in 2nd, able to react to what Mercedes didn't do. Mercedes went conservative and tried to play it safe, hoping the race would end on safety car. Either way race control and stewards would have been in the same position. What they should have considered was let the back markers through on lap 56 in a safe manner past the scene of the crash, which was largely cleared up. If they had, the result would still have been Max right behind Lewis on fresh tires, and very likely the same result. Karma and luck played in Max's favor, it could easily have been Hamilton benefiting from the situation if he was behind Max. Honestly it feels right considering how much bad luck Max had with Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary. Had he not been shafted in those three races it would have been a double championship. And Max still did have to make the pass on track, it wasn't gifted. They took that gamble to be on the faster compound without knowing if the race would resume. The gamble paid off.
Bad luck when the sporting regulations are followed is one thing. Tyre blowouts and racing incidents will always happen, and over a season things tend to even out more or less. If they don’t, then tough luck. However, there is no luck or karma involved when race control decides to break their own rules. It’s cheating. And Red Bull had no gamble to make, since there was no other option than to pit for fresh tyres since they had nothing to lose by doing so. He was allowed to fight Hamilton on one lap old softs compared to 40 lap old hards. Maldonado could jump into the car and make that move stick without practice. There is no contest. Red Bull were gifted a race they had no business winning, since they were nowhere on pace compared to Hamiton, and had the SC rules been followed, there would be no chance for them. I can’t understand how it can ”feel right” with such an obvious staging of a race, no matter what side you are on.ispano6 wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 01:26Exactly, just goes to show how crucial Checo's role was in Max maintaining track position that put Ham/Merc in a precarious situation. Imagine if it was Max in front unable to pit and Lewis on fresh tires with 5 cars in between. We would hear the same "let them race, clear the back markers, don't let it end on yellow". Red Bull were in a nothing to lose position being in 2nd, able to react to what Mercedes didn't do. Mercedes went conservative and tried to play it safe, hoping the race would end on safety car. Either way race control and stewards would have been in the same position. What they should have considered was let the back markers through on lap 56 in a safe manner past the scene of the crash, which was largely cleared up. If they had, the result would still have been Max right behind Lewis on fresh tires, and very likely the same result. Karma and luck played in Max's favor, it could easily have been Hamilton benefiting from the situation if he was behind Max. Honestly it feels right considering how much bad luck Max had with Baku, Silverstone, and Hungary. Had he not been shafted in those three races it would have been a double championship. And Max still did have to make the pass on track, it wasn't gifted. They took that gamble to be on the faster compound without knowing if the race would resume. The gamble paid off.
Hey, I thought you wanted the thread to be locked? Changed your mind quite quickly. Masi is that you?Stu wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 23:00I’m sure when there is news we will hear it, currently we just have a bunch of opinions, many with a bit of a bias.
Truth is, Mercedes lost the race (assuming that everything else was pre-ordained), the moment THEY decided to bring LH in to cover MV’s first stop. His tyres had 10-12 laps at a decent pace left, which would have meant no time loss fighting with SP (that would have been a shame, best bit of the race!). He would have then been in a position to stop again when The safety car came out AND be ahead of MV. Under normal conditions, LH’s tyres would have been marginal by the end. Red Bull effectively duped Mercedes into a two-stop strategy.