Mercedes W13

[mantikos]

They brought performance upgrades since testing, Merc has only introduced updates to control the bouncing and haven't introduced any performance updates

Please tell me you realize this and also the fact that the team has way better data than the stopwatch and doesn't agree with your hot take.

I don't think that's the reason, Ferrari has actually not brought updates, it's the same car since Barcelona testing except for the floor. However Ferrari only lapped with C3 tyre and heavy fuel in Barcelona testing so it's easy to beat it now that they know the car much better and the new floor works, just like new W13 floor works.

The floor thats credited with providing most of the cars downforce, new rear wing, new more powerful MGUK and a turned up engine..

Exactly - they've had performance focused updates and Mercedes has had none of those thus far focusing solely on the bouncing.

[JonoNic]

I would love to see the damage on Hamilton's caused on that first lap. Clearly there were bits of floor flying off, but he was so much faster. Could the damage have helped him in any way?

[De Jokke]

I would love to see the damage on Hamilton's caused on that first lap. Clearly there were bits of floor flying off, but he was so much faster. Could the damage have helped him in any way?

just imagine hahaha, haas unlocks mercedes performance

[De Jokke]

Car's racepace was good today.. we need a few updates and cut weight to be up there with red bull

pessimistic on that one, Toto said they couldn't do any more to shed weight...

[f1jcw]

Car's racepace was good today.. we need a few updates and cut weight to be up there with red bull

pessimistic on that one, Toto said they couldn't do any more to shed weight...

Theres always way, a few grams here, a few grams there

[mkay]

Car's racepace was good today.. we need a few updates and cut weight to be up there with red bull

pessimistic on that one, Toto said they couldn't do any more to shed weight...

Where did he say that?

[De Jokke]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/110870/m ... an-do.html

[AA_2019]

Impressive car is the fastest in the power sections.. we need more down force in the corners because Ferrari is excellent there

They've lost the downforce in fixing the bouncing. Miami spec car would have been fastest in sector 3 and slower in the other 2 sectors.

Can't have it both ways, at least for now...

Nothing anywhere suggests that so please share your source. The team has consistently maintained that they refused to trade d/f to fix bouncing and I'm inclined to believe them unless you have a source.

I would hypothesize that they're missing performance updates that others have hence their d/f might still be at the baseline numbers while others have progressed. Also let's not forget they are bouncing through high speed corners still which is where they're losing time.

Also this puts to rest once in for all the drag BS - when running its designed ride height the car is intuitively slippery af.

Watch Ted's Post Qualy Notebook (Sky F1), he discusses the reasons for Merc's bouncing and the solution.

My attempt at a summary:

1) Wind tunnel didn't show up purpoising as they are not allowed by the FIA to run the airflow fast enough
2) Also their CFD models were not sophisticated enough to model it theoretically
3) They believed the floor would flex down sealing the floor edge like skirts and their models showed this would give them a huge amount of downforce
4) Problem was this turned out to lead to the bouncing
5) Solution was to stop the flexing by strengthening it and the floor edge detail to prevent sealing the floor

The solution has dramatically reduced the bouncing (whilst adding a lot of weight) but they no longer have a flexi floor sealing the floor which was giving them huge amounts of downforce at lower speeds as per their models.

As Lando Norris pointed out at the last race, the GPS trace showed Merc had always been quickest in slow corners

(Disclaimer: all words are relative so when I say seal the floor I don't mean a perfect seal, just relatively speaking)

[f1jcw]

They've lost the downforce in fixing the bouncing. Miami spec car would have been fastest in sector 3 and slower in the other 2 sectors.

Can't have it both ways, at least for now...

Nothing anywhere suggests that so please share your source. The team has consistently maintained that they refused to trade d/f to fix bouncing and I'm inclined to believe them unless you have a source.

I would hypothesize that they're missing performance updates that others have hence their d/f might still be at the baseline numbers while others have progressed. Also let's not forget they are bouncing through high speed corners still which is where they're losing time.

Also this puts to rest once in for all the drag BS - when running its designed ride height the car is intuitively slippery af.

Watch Ted's Post Qualy Notebook, he discusses the reasons for Merc's bouncing and the solution.

My attempt at a summary:

1) Wind tunnel didn't show up purpoising as they are not allowed by the FIA to run the airflow fast enough
2) Also their CFD models were not sophisticated enough to model it theoretically
3) They believed the floor would flex down sealing the floor edge like skirts and their models showed this would give them a huge amount of downforce
4) Problem was this turned out to lead to the bouncing
5) Solution was to stop the flexing by strengthening it and the floor edge detail to prevent sealing the floor

The solution has dramatically reduced the bouncing (whilst adding a lot of weight) but they no longer have a flexi floor sealing the floor which was giving them huge amounts of downforce at lower speeds as per their models.

As Lando Norris pointed out at the last race, the GPS trace showed Merc had always been quickest in slow corners

(Disclaimer: all words are relative so when I say seal the floor I don't mean a perfect seal, just relatively speaking)

This is what **** me off about the new rules and regulations

They come up with new rules to "make racing closer" and I presume to end mercs dominance

But the they totally hobble teams trying to compete so that of a team gets a jump, no one can respond.

They restrict with budget, they restrict testing, they restrict tools, they restrict suspension.
It doesn’t feel done for closer racing.

[101FlyingDutchman]

They've lost the downforce in fixing the bouncing. Miami spec car would have been fastest in sector 3 and slower in the other 2 sectors.

Can't have it both ways, at least for now...

Nothing anywhere suggests that so please share your source. The team has consistently maintained that they refused to trade d/f to fix bouncing and I'm inclined to believe them unless you have a source.

I would hypothesize that they're missing performance updates that others have hence their d/f might still be at the baseline numbers while others have progressed. Also let's not forget they are bouncing through high speed corners still which is where they're losing time.

Also this puts to rest once in for all the drag BS - when running its designed ride height the car is intuitively slippery af.

Watch Ted's Post Qualy Notebook, he discusses the reasons for Merc's bouncing and the solution.

My attempt at a summary:

1) Wind tunnel didn't show up purpoising as they are not allowed by the FIA to run the airflow fast enough
2) Also their CFD models were not sophisticated enough to model it theoretically
3) They believed the floor would flex down sealing the floor edge like skirts and their models showed this would give them a huge amount of downforce
4) Problem was this turned out to lead to the bouncing
5) Solution was to stop the flexing by strengthening it and the floor edge detail to prevent sealing the floor

The solution has dramatically reduced the bouncing (whilst adding a lot of weight) but they no longer have a flexi floor sealing the floor which was giving them huge amounts of downforce at lower speeds as per their models.

As Lando Norris pointed out at the last race, the GPS trace showed Merc had always been quickest in slow corners

(Disclaimer: all words are relative so when I say seal the floor I don't mean a perfect seal, just relatively speaking)

Thank you. Very informative

[f1jcw]

The solution has dramatically reduced the bouncing (whilst adding a lot of weight) but they no longer have a flexi floor sealing the floor which was giving them huge amounts of downforce at lower speeds as per their models.

I presume they now have a target to work to now that they have solved bouncing and that is now add ways to seal the floor with some method, gain back the lost downforce and regain slow corner performance

[elMaestro]

Considering they were only working so far to reduce the porpoising, surely now they can actually start to add performance to the car. Cant wait to see the laptimes Hamilton was puting with a damaged car aswell on the FIA website.

[mantikos]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/110870/m ... an-do.html

He said they can't save weight on paint - nowhere does it say they can't save weight on parts like they've already done once or like RBR did this race

[ringo]

The overheating problem now seems to be related to a coolant leak .
They need to sort this out. But so far the car has made good progress.
I feel it only needs setup and suspension upgrades now and a little bit more refinement to challenge for wins.

[mkay]

The overheating problem now seems to be related to a coolant leak .
They need to sort this out. But so far the car has made good progress.
I feel it only needs setup and suspension upgrades now and a little bit more refinement to challenge for wins.

Shaving weight is almost as important too as it's free laptime. And they have more weight to lose than Ferrari and RB.