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Mercedes AMG have today completed their shakedown of the W03, the team's new 2012 car. After the team decided to run at last week's Jerez test with the older car, Mercedes will present its new car to the public next Tuesday at the start of testing at Barcelona.
Link please.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Mercedes have said the car will be much longer than the W02.
So debating what a short wheelbase W03 will benefit/defict from isnt going by what we know.
No, It is my assumption that they have the best organization for developing the next hot trend until proven otherwise. You are assuming that there was some luck involved in the past. This is probably not the case.Ferraripilot wrote:This of course operates under the assumption that Red Bull will be the inventors of said hot trend. It's rare to have two in a row.
Based on recent history, we can only surmise that RB will have less difficulty with the new rules than the other teams. If ti is difficult for Newel's team, might it be impossible for some of the others?Coefficient wrote: Now that Newey has t0 blow his guff on the beam wing he might find the challenge altogether more different.
Remember the Rear suspension was not very good from the beginning. One of ailing parts of the car it was - so much that MSC and Rosberg complained of imbalances throughout the season. You can just look on it and see that the design of the A-arms, never mind the push-rod, is quite outdated compared to the other Top teams.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Suspension carry over is a massive time saving for Mercedes if they do in fact carry it over.
So no it not a clean slate design.
Im interested to see what will happen to the front suspension. Will they revert to a pullrod for example?
From the technical demonstration of what they did on the rear suspension, I believe them to be quite capable to pull out something extravagent. The only fly in the ointment is that Costa will possibly want something more conservative...
...Or he would approve of the design firing a broadside at Ferrari for their decision to sack him for being "too conservative".
I agree with this. With the Blown diffuser gone Newey can even more intensely focus his efforts on finer details of the car. Only Raw Trailer loads of cash, a slave army of engineers and Matrix level computing horsepower can beat Newey in 2012.hardingfv32 wrote:Based on recent history, we can only surmise that RB will have less difficulty with the new rules than the other teams. If ti is difficult for Newel's team, might it be impossible for some of the others?Coefficient wrote: Now that Newey has t0 blow his guff on the beam wing he might find the challenge altogether more different.
Brian
Bell I agree but not Willis because even though he joined almost three months ago the basic fundamentals of the car would have already been defined by then. Sure subsequent aero packages will be his creations but the basic aero philosophy of the car cannot be changed unless you come out with a b-spec car. I'm afraid we will have to wait for a year to see his full influence.Mr.S wrote:Hemsy wrote:Don't jump the ship Mercedes don't have a quick car out of the box. I'd rather they have a fundamentally sound car that can be improved over the course of the season like the 2010 Ferrari. I don't expect them to have a blindingly fast car for the first few races because their simulator just became fully operational plus Bell, Willis and Costa just joined a few months ago. All of these factors will only have a bearing on the car in the second half of the season. Even if the start out as the 4th fastest team (again), as long as they are fighting for podiums come the end of the season, I will consider it as success.Mr.S wrote:If they stay 4th fastest another 2 years Mercedes will either sell the team or throw away Brawn,Costa,Bell & come with baskets of cash to get Newey.
Frankly they must get 1 Win & atleast 6-7 Podiums. Atleast what Ferrari did this year. Anything less than that is gigantic failure. They are not even debuting their car in the 1st test. If they still cant come in the TOP 3,they never will. Mercedes board wont pay for continous failures. Someone will get the axe soon.
Frankly without EBD Mercedes pace without proper upgrades was not too far behind Mclaren's. Willis has been working for 3 months now. It's time to take a step forward. I see no reason why Bell,Willis,Bigois cant create a good enough car,fogetting Costa's late involvement.
If all these does not bring a step up with the manpower then what is the use of it. W01 genuinely on pace was the 2nd quickest car in Malayasia,Turkey & few other races. Mercedes have just been going down. Even Renault got 2 Podiums last year.
Simulation is pretty meaningless with the idea of a fundamentally working car with a good wind tunnel. Do you know that Mercedes have 2 Wind Tunnels,one which they lease to HRT for hours. Do you actually believe they dont have simulators & are thus building. They already have one & have been using. They new one is State of the Art. The New one has nothing to do with the car now. How are the basic concepts related with a simulator. You test individual components & the speed of a car after THE CAR has been build not the concept.
Bell has joined 1 year back. April 1st,the announced came a year back. Long time in F1,W02 whatever upgrades came from Bell. W03 is completely Bell's baby & he knows the team having already been involved with the in-season development of W02.
Willis joined on OCT. Almost 4 months now. Another 1.5 months to go before they introduce the car. Is 5.5 not good enough to have an aerodynamic car. Costa,I can understand. He has barely joined & with the chasis principally done is not going to have a major role as I dont think a lot can be done mechanically.
BTW with the larke recruit of manpower & Bell & Willis' possible aerodynamic package not good enough to take a leap. I want approx. 0.5s off pole & that is a fair expectatation is it not???
n smikle wrote: Remember the Rear suspension was not very good from the beginning. One of ailing parts of the car it was - so much that MSC and Rosberg complained of imbalances throughout the season. You can just look on it and see that the design of the A-arms, never mind the push-rod, is quite outdated compared to the other Top teams.
I for one think that the suspension will be high up on the to do list - especially since the center of aerdynamic pressure will be moved forward rear wing trims being the same.
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hardingfv32 wrote:No, It is my assumption that they have the best organization for developing the next hot trend until proven otherwise. You are assuming that there was some luck involved in the past. This is probably not the case.Ferraripilot wrote:This of course operates under the assumption that Red Bull will be the inventors of said hot trend. It's rare to have two in a row.
Brian
That image represents one piece of gorgeous mechanical engineering JET, good lord, as if I had masterminded it myself!JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:[But Scarbs has the real low down on this linked rear of the merc.