2016 F1 Spanish Grand Prix

[Steven]

In case anyone is still missing details of what happened after the start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1J6B09HH7I
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I think the above, excellent video analysis from Sky gives us all the information we need. I know what I think, and the stewards have made clear what they think, so I guess we can move on from here.

All I want to add is that I can understand how Hamilton may have been feeling afterwards. He probably felt in the car that this was his moment to get the upper hand back, only to see it disappear a few seconds later, progressing another 2 weeks with a considerable disadvantage in the championship standings.

To me, this incident, in which I mean the acts that led to it, show how far both would be willing to go for this year's championship. I hope someone can keep them calm for most of the season (not all of course ).

[3jawchuck]

Here is a nice overview of the standpoints from Rosberg, Hamilton and Wolff:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... edes-clash

They basically look to be on the same line: a racing accident. Nobody -Not Hamilton, not Rosberg and not Wolff- put blame at someone else. I feel it's unfortunate: yes there is the rule of a car width, and Hamilton might have gone for a too narrow gap. But ultimately: they each made a decision within the timespan of a few tenths. It was too late when it became clear that their individual made decisions would lead to collision.

That's racing guys.

This is why I can't personally call it anything other than 51/49 blame (to whomever is not really important). It was a racing incident that took place in the blink of an eye, and a shame for Mercedes, their drivers and fans. That is all. Time to put it to bed.

Whatever, we got a decent race for a Spanish GP and a new winner. Can't complain about that.

[NathanOlder]

Is it wrong that Lewis went for a gap that was 100% big enough for his car ? He arrived at that gap with a good foot more than what he needed. Yes the gap was closing fast, but the fact remains Lewis got to the gap, stuck his nose and half a wheel into that gap before it was gone.

On the flip side Nico tried to close the gap which he was entitled to do, but failed to close it in time. Which caused him to run Lewis off the track. You can't say Lewis went for a gap thay wasn't there, as he had plenty of car in the space he needed it before the gap closed.

As both drivers are from the same team there was no preasure from a team principle to punish a driver. If the drivers were from different teams, I truely believe the guy who closed the door too late would have been given some kind of penalty.

As I said earlier, Nico was entitled to close the door, slamming it shut as hard as he liked. But he was too late in doing so.

[dans79]

http://www.fia.com/file/40714/download?token=aIudaF8D

27.7 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

27.8 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the
edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

Nico violated rule 27.8, at best it was a racing incident.

[jurinius]

Stewards have probably right to choose "racing incident". But just want to understand why people judging Hamilton move as desperate or "he came with anger" ... This is about feelings and the only one to confirm or say that is Lewis. Just looking facts and regulation = what we saw in Sky analysis, it obvious the debate is closed.

[Jolle]

I saw it a couple of times.

- Nico knew he made a rather big mistake and was slower
- He saw Hamilton coming up on the inside rather long way before the breaking zone
- he not only sharply swerved to the right but also off the racing line
- he would have lost the corner to Lewis anyway, was the distance greater, he would have passed him on the outside
- Nice had these bold changes in the past (silverstone in 2011 or 12 I believe, also on Hamilton)

For Hamilton:
- maybe a bit too bold, but if the guy in front of you is 17k slower and leaves a gap on the inside, what do you suppose to do? Wait?

[turbof1]

@dans79: I don't think 27.8 is applicable, as it explicitly states it has to be intentional. Nico was already closing the door when Lewis ever so slightly got his wing next to Nico's wing.

- maybe a bit too bold, but if the guy in front of you is 17k slower and leaves a gap on the inside, what do you suppose to do? Wait?

Senna's legendary line of overtaking and gaps seems fitting here . I can't blame Lewis for trying to get into the gap, and I can't blame Nico for closing the gap. Hence why the only reasonable judgement looks to be racing incident.

[Jolle]

@dans79: I don't think 27.8 is applicable, as it explicitly states it has to be intentional. Nico was already closing the door when Lewis ever so slightly got his wing next to Nico's wing.

- maybe a bit too bold, but if the guy in front of you is 17k slower and leaves a gap on the inside, what do you suppose to do? Wait?

Senna's legendary line of overtaking and gaps seems fitting here . I can't blame Lewis for trying to get into the gap, and I can't blame Nico for closing the gap. Hence why the only reasonable judgement looks to be racing incident.

In other words, he closed the gap too late and too late is a mistake... Small one, but with great concequenses. Hamilton's move wasn't the problem, if Nico stayed on his line they would have another 1-2.

[iotar__]

Now it's "Rosberg's switch", classic marketing diluting and disinformation, add some meaningless element from the other side to absolve no talent driving. Unless this switch controlled Hamilton's head and limbs it didn't cause and crashes. [Or grip level and car control off track]. Some switch probably put Rosberg ahead after first corner too.

Speed difference or not it was a bad move, no place there, no control by the other driver, no switch needed. The fact that the other car is slower is no justification for causing this collision. I'm surprised no one talked about switch in Vettel's head in Russia that caused speed difference between him and Kvyat and the second collision in Russia (of course it didn't but the speed difference was also there).

Sick and tired of this circus. You can only feel sorry for Hamilton supporters lying to themselves. Reverse the situation and you are all calling for penalties and laughing at made up switch excuse.

[Sonador]

@dans79: I don't think 27.8 is applicable, as it explicitly states it has to be intentional. Nico was already closing the door when Lewis ever so slightly got his wing next to Nico's wing.

- maybe a bit too bold, but if the guy in front of you is 17k slower and leaves a gap on the inside, what do you suppose to do? Wait?

Senna's legendary line of overtaking and gaps seems fitting here . I can't blame Lewis for trying to get into the gap, and I can't blame Nico for closing the gap. Hence why the only reasonable judgement looks to be racing incident.

In other words, he closed the gap too late and too late is a mistake... Small one, but with great concequenses. Hamilton's move wasn't the problem, if Nico stayed on his line they would have another 1-2.

Spa 2014 was exactly the same to me as this incident, yet Rosberg got so much flak for it.
And now it is the same, it is Always Rosbergs fault (it seems) both to me are just the consequenses of 2 guys at war over a GP win.
I think it is awesome of Mercedes to let them race, but i don't know what there policy is going to be after this one.
I jst hope they will leave it as it is.

I am all for it that Rosberg has "grown a pair off balls" and not be a "runnover"
He now is just as agressive as Hamilton is, so i am hoping for more battles lik this but without the crashing

[Facts Only]

That, was fecking mental. Just watched the race and literally couldnt believe what I was seeing.

[Tom145145]

@dans79: I don't think 27.8 is applicable, as it explicitly states it has to be intentional. Nico was already closing the door when Lewis ever so slightly got his wing next to Nico's wing.



Senna's legendary line of overtaking and gaps seems fitting here . I can't blame Lewis for trying to get into the gap, and I can't blame Nico for closing the gap. Hence why the only reasonable judgement looks to be racing incident.

In other words, he closed the gap too late and too late is a mistake... Small one, but with great concequenses. Hamilton's move wasn't the problem, if Nico stayed on his line they would have another 1-2.

Spa 2014 was exactly the same to me as this incident, yet Rosberg got so much flak for it.
And now it is the same, it is Always Rosbergs fault (it seems) both to me are just the consequenses of 2 guys at war over a GP win.
I think it is awesome of Mercedes to let them race, but i don't know what there policy is going to be after this one.
I jst hope they will leave it as it is.

I am all for it that Rosberg has "grown a pair off balls" and not be a "runnover"
He now is just as agressive as Hamilton is, so i am hoping for more battles lik this but without the crashing

Remind me what your take was on the Spa 2014 incident? If I recall you blamed Hamilton. You always blame Hamilton, people in glass house!

[Sonador]

In other words, he closed the gap too late and too late is a mistake... Small one, but with great concequenses. Hamilton's move wasn't the problem, if Nico stayed on his line they would have another 1-2.

Spa 2014 was exactly the same to me as this incident, yet Rosberg got so much flak for it.
And now it is the same, it is Always Rosbergs fault (it seems) both to me are just the consequenses of 2 guys at war over a GP win.
I think it is awesome of Mercedes to let them race, but i don't know what there policy is going to be after this one.
I jst hope they will leave it as it is.

I am all for it that Rosberg has "grown a pair off balls" and not be a "runnover"
He now is just as agressive as Hamilton is, so i am hoping for more battles lik this but without the crashing

Remind me what your take was on the Spa 2014 incident? If I recall you blamed Hamilton. You always blame Hamilton, people in glass house!

As i stated before i think it was also a racing incident.
And in 2104 i was not on this forum, and what do you mean about people in glass hous?

Also:
My house is made of bricks, an happen to be a Hamilton fan, but jet again i am also a Rosberg fan.
Same goes for the rest of the driver field, exept or Maldonado, i was not a fan of his style (decent/nice chap tho)
I have been watching F1 for 23 years.

[notsofast]

F1 would be no fun if the probability of two drivers taking each other out were zero. A non-zero probability means that some days it will happen. Today was one of those days. It happened before in F1 and it will happen again. If all probabilities were reduced to zero, then we might as well hand out the trophies at the end of qualifying.

[Tom145145]

Spa 2014 was exactly the same to me as this incident, yet Rosberg got so much flak for it.
And now it is the same, it is Always Rosbergs fault (it seems) both to me are just the consequenses of 2 guys at war over a GP win.
I think it is awesome of Mercedes to let them race, but i don't know what there policy is going to be after this one.
I jst hope they will leave it as it is.

I am all for it that Rosberg has "grown a pair off balls" and not be a "runnover"
He now is just as agressive as Hamilton is, so i am hoping for more battles lik this but without the crashing

Remind me what your take was on the Spa 2014 incident? If I recall you blamed Hamilton. You always blame Hamilton, people in glass house!

As i stated before i think it was also a racing incident.
And i wa not on this forum, and what do you mean about people in glass hous?

My house is made of bricks, an happen to be a Hamilton fan, but jet again i am also a Rosberg fan.
Same goes for the rest of the driver field, exept or Maldonado, i was not a fan of his style (decent/nice chap tho)

Sorry I replied to the wrong post...I was trying to make the point that most people can't be objective. I managed to do the opposite