2018 French Grand Prix, Le Castellet, June 22-24

[flynfrog]

What's the point, 5 or 10 seconds..

The point is that in general penalties are a complete joke now. Pretty much everything is a slap on the wrist compared to what you are getting away with.

What are you even getting at? Do you really want to black flag every car that locked up on the inside with cold tires and makes contact, pretty sure every driver on the grid has done it at least once before. You have spent multiple pages ranting what do you propose?

[MtthsMlw]

Of course..now it rains..
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[GPR-A duplicate2]

What's the point, 5 or 10 seconds..

The point is that in general penalties are a complete joke now. Pretty much everything is a slap on the wrist compared to what you are getting away with.

What are you even getting at? Do you really want to black flag every car that locked up on the inside with cold tires and makes contact, pretty sure every driver on the grid has done it at least once before. You have spent multiple pages ranting what do you propose?

When you have a driver who is carrying so many penalty points for the last couple years, surely that warrants bigger punishment, than the one used for drivers who aren't carrying any.

[Sierra117]

So apparently a water leak is the reason why Perez was retired (water leak that would have significantly affected cooling and therefore overheating damage to the engine), meaning no fault in the engine itself.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

So apparently a water leak is the reason why Perez was retired (water leak that would have significantly affected cooling and therefore overheating damage to the engine), meaning no fault in the engine itself.

Bottas suffered the same issue in P2.

[JonoNic]

So apparently a water leak is the reason why Perez was retired (water leak that would have significantly affected cooling and therefore overheating damage to the engine), meaning no fault in the engine itself.

Bottas suffered the same issue in P2.

Can that be fixed without breaking the FIA seals?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

So apparently a water leak is the reason why Perez was retired (water leak that would have significantly affected cooling and therefore overheating damage to the engine), meaning no fault in the engine itself.

Bottas suffered the same issue in P2.

Can that be fixed without breaking the FIA seals?

That is not related to PU and hence, should be able to fix it, just the way it was fixed for Bottas.

[dans79]

You are getting petty now. You initially wanted a black flag... Who was Vettel going to hurt in this ultra safe track?

What are you even getting at? Do you really want to black flag every car that locked up on the inside with cold tires and makes contact, pretty sure every driver on the grid has done it at least once before. You have spent multiple pages ranting what do you propose?

Both of your are wrong. I said nothing about a black flag, that was a different member, see below.

Your boy just loses control everytime when the pressure is on and tries to take out the whole field.
He needs to get a black flag and sit at home and watch a race maybe.

The in race penalty options are as follows in order of severity.

1. 5 second time penalty
2. 10 second time penalty
3. Pit lane drive through penalty
4. Pit lane drive through 5 second stop and go.
5. Pit lane drive through 10 second stop and go.
6. black flag
7. banned form the next race

The only other penalty is a grid drop for the next race. The stewards are far to lax when it comes to penalizing drivers.

Drive through, and mandatory stop and go time penalties should be issued far more often to keep the drivers in check.

[jz11]

Which rule books says that and when was the last time it happened?

he cut one corner by 50% and the next one 100%, he almost gained a lead, backed off not to, and slotted nicely into 2nd place avoiding possible scrap in couple corners - these are facts, if you don't see it that way, you're ignorant

now that being said - there is no way to measure the effect on the race, hence no penalties by stewards

that being said - things like these are supposed to be taken care of by the track itself - it is quite stupid when you can cut couple corners and accelerate while doing that - there were no polystyrene barriers, nothing at all - smooth tarmac actually, where he gained most

got lucky and got away with it this time, and all the blame has to be put on the people that configured the track

There has never been penalties for avoiding a crash and cutting corners, ON FIRST LAP. It will never happen either.

that is what I said - you can't judge that and assign a penalty, that is why track has to be configured as not to give an advantage to someone cutting the track so much, because the ones that do - do gain an advantage of not having to contend for space with others in those first critical corners after a start

polystyrene boards that make drivers wiggle around them are the perfect example of what should have been on that escape road, but there was nothing instead, so both Max and KMag went straight instead of even pretending to steer in a direction of that corner, KMag at least had the sense to give the gained time up, Max - not so much

[maxxer]

The hate on the forum is strong. It was undoubtably a poor effort from Seb on the first corner but was it any different to Bottas at Baku or Spain last year? I don't remember penalties being given that day and incorrectly so. Vettel got a fair penalty today.

Your boy just loses control everytime when the pressure is on and tries to take out the whole field.
He needs to get a black flag and sit at home and watch a race maybe.

I know. The guy needs to get a grip specially considering how he performed under pressure he had on him in 2010 and 2012 in the last race.

Yeah he is a great driver if he can keep his cool at the start we might have seen race between champions.
with the different tyre strategies and all.

[F1NAC]

Hamilton commenting on 1st lap incident

It's true, penalty was complete BS.

Well he didnt complain when Max ruined seb's race... oh wait. Who benefited the most from that? What a hypocrite

[TwanV]

he cut one corner by 50% and the next one 100%, he almost gained a lead, backed off not to, and slotted nicely into 2nd place avoiding possible scrap in couple corners - these are facts, if you don't see it that way, you're ignorant

now that being said - there is no way to measure the effect on the race, hence no penalties by stewards

that being said - things like these are supposed to be taken care of by the track itself - it is quite stupid when you can cut couple corners and accelerate while doing that - there were no polystyrene barriers, nothing at all - smooth tarmac actually, where he gained most

got lucky and got away with it this time, and all the blame has to be put on the people that configured the track

There has never been penalties for avoiding a crash and cutting corners, ON FIRST LAP. It will never happen either.

that is what I said - you can't judge that and assign a penalty, that is why track has to be configured as not to give an advantage to someone cutting the track so much, because the ones that do - do gain an advantage of not having to contend for space with others in those first critical corners after a start

polystyrene boards that make drivers wiggle around them are the perfect example of what should have been on that escape road, but there was nothing instead, so both Max and KMag went straight instead of even pretending to steer in a direction of that corner, KMag at least had the sense to give the gained time up, Max - not so much

What's your point jz? You'd rather have seb ruin both bottas' and verstappen's race? Ves didn't gain a place, didn't lose a place, didn't gain time, didn't lose time. Dunno what you're trying to say here except the obvious.

[FrukostScones]

Track was better then expected. VET a bit unlucky.

[Sevach]

Clearly Vettel's fault but he tried to avoid it just couldn't, can we move on?

[dans79]

Wow, Max is still butt hurt about the press.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13700 ... ttel-crash