Mclaren Mercedes MP4-25

[conni]

No deadzone, it was just bullsh*t from somebody who wanted to make new friends by being a know-it-all.

WHY would you say somthing as hurtfull as that about someone you dont even know?

I do know goony it was him that told me about this site thats why im here and I can tell you for a fact that he isnt a bullsh*ter, ive worked with him for about 5 years on and off at different teams and companies and he is probably one of the most experianced contractors out there and although he called it the dead zone this was just him using teamspeak they have really wierd names for things such as bingo wings these are attached to the side of the nosecone and somthing else he called elvis trousers but i cant remember what they were for and so the deadzone is real but officially it wont be called THE DEADZONE infact i doubt it will be called anything as they wont want to draw attention to it

conni

[timd]

Its true that we havnt seem the redbull's or Brawns. Then we will get an idea of just how radical this car is.

Personally i think its great to see such variation. Even if some of it fails its better to try something diferent than running identical cars.

The rear end of the Mac does look incredibly worked over. There is a lot of small details everywhere.

The visible looser of this could be Ferarri going too "2009" with their car.

If you think about it Mac did catch up last year so you would expect brawn and redbull to be more adavanced like this also. Redbull arnt even turning up to the first test so the biggest supprise could be right there. And we know newey is capable of pulling off a supprise. Given that his car wasnt setup with DD and brawns were id personally expect redbull to come out more radical than brawn.

First test we'll have a good idea

[mx_tifoso]

Here are the two helmets we'll see in this car. Thank God they're very different color wise.

[ringo]

For some reason, the Ferrari still looks dangerous. the Ferrari is very athletic looking, nothing on it is useless and because it has the redbull's design, it has a good base line.
The Brawn did not look the part last year,we only appreciated more the more it won.

The onus is on the other teams to at least come up to the RB5's performance, before the F10 can be displaced from the top 4.
copying redbull with a simple design makes it easier for Ferrari to trouble shoot and improve if they run into problems.

The MP4 now, looks like a space ship from the Avatar movie, one little problem might take a longer time to discover. Ferrari's potential problems are like spilled milk while problems for the MP4 could be like sh!t hitting the wind tunnel fan.

[ESPImperium]

One thing im noticing that the MP4/25 has its front suspension geometry as completly new. This is looking to be as if the front wheels are closer to the driver, making the car easier to turn in, and with that freeing up areas to exploit and getting better use of the front tyres, making them better to heat up as theres no dust bin lids any more, whitch aided the heating of the rubber fron the core of the wheel.

[vasia]

Looking at the details, this car is truly a wonderful design, and those sidepods are a work of art! This is the most elegant and attractive car from McLaren in years.

You can clearly tell McLaren had a very different philosophy to their car compared to Ferrari. Ferrari you can tell did the packaging on their car first, and the bodywork second. With the F10's unusual exhausts, and the way the cooling system and electronics are set up around the sidepods, there are too many aerodynamic compromises in the Ferrari's design.I also believe some of these compromises were made due to the fuel-thirsty nature of the Ferrari engine, and due to the cooling needed for the engine.

The McLaren has much more compact sidepods, and very neat and tight rear end packaging. It seems like everyone at McLaren was on the same page, and communicated to each other really well. It seems as though McLaren managed to have optimal packaging of the car's components while also at the same time having optimal aerodynamics.

The front splitter is innovative, and is wonderful how the splitter actually works together with the front suspension wishbones to condition flow. Very innovative how the camera mounts or "horns" on the nose of the car line up with the splitter floor, and this whole section lines up with the upper planes of the front wing. In essence, the front splitter also extends the effectiveness of the front wing itself together with the horns on the nose.

The front splitter also looks like will help the effectiveness of the front inside rim shields, as well as brake cooling.

The McLaren very likely has a more advanced diffuser design than the Ferrari.

The exhaust exits are optimally positioned to disrupt airflow of cars behind it while at the same time aiding in effectiveness of the rear wing.

Overall the car looks very refined and with very focused aerodynamics.

The dog ears:

Is this bending the floor rules a little bit?

Those are legal. The Toyota had very similar ones last year.

For some reason, the Ferrari still looks dangerous. the Ferrari is very athletic looking, nothing on it is useless and because it has the redbull's design, it has a good base line.
The Brawn did not look the part last year,we only appreciated more the more it won.

The onus is on the other teams to at least come up to the RB5's performance, before the F10 can be displaced from the top 4.
copying redbull with a simple design makes it easier for Ferrari to trouble shoot and improve if they run into problems.

The MP4 now, looks like a space ship from the Avatar movie, one little problem might take a longer time to discover. Ferrari's potential problems are like spilled milk while problems for the MP4 could be like sh!t hitting the wind tunnel fan.

Huh, what are you talking about?

The Ferrari looks overweight, with less than optimal aerodynamics especially around the sidepod and engine cover areas. The Ferrari does not look athletic at all, especially with that huge, long Pinocchio front nose. You can't possibly say the Ferrari looks "athletic" with such fat, bulging sidepods.

The McLaren we know has a smaller fuel tank than the Ferrari, that already makes it a more athletic car. The McLaren in general looks far more athletic and refined than the Ferrari design.

The F10 does not fully use the Red Bull design philosophy. The only used Red Bull's front nose idea. The F10 does not have extremely undercut sidepods or a super-tight rear end like the RB5.

Last season McLaren improved far more than Ferrari did, and McLaren learned a lot during their struggles. Ferrari made a mistake to give up on the F60 so early, because anything learned from last season could have been very effectively applied this season.

[Richard]

The dog ears:

Is this bending the floor rules a little bit?

Those are legal. The Toyota had very similar ones last year.

Those parts are identical to last year's MP4-24

[Pup]

...they have really wierd names for things such as bingo wings these are attached to the side of the nosecone and somthing else he called elvis trousers but i cant remember what they were for and so the deadzone is real but officially it wont be called THE DEADZONE infact i doubt it will be called anything as they wont want to draw attention to it

conni

I believe "Elvis Trousers" was Norbert's nickname.

[tk421]

this thing is ugly as sin

don't quite understand all the praise either as there is officially only one other car to compare it to. nothing against mclaren, just saying it sounds like some of you need to hold your horses!

[Richard]

I think it's one of those that'll either be really fast, or really slow, and unlikely to be anywhere between.

That's my fear after last year.

Yes it seems incredibly well detailed compared to last years rather simple car, so that's hopeful.

[conni]

...they have really wierd names for things such as bingo wings these are attached to the side of the nosecone and somthing else he called elvis trousers but i cant remember what they were for and so the deadzone is real but officially it wont be called THE DEADZONE infact i doubt it will be called anything as they wont want to draw attention to it

conni

I believe "Elvis Trousers" was Norbert's nickname.

no it was definitley a composite part on the car

conni

[Callum]

I'm not sure if I'm stating the obvious here but have you noticed how the front splitter channels the air directly into the radiator inlets.

Maybe its by using this splitter that they have been able to decrease the size of the radiators (i know that no KERS helps too)

[Pup]

...they have really wierd names for things such as bingo wings these are attached to the side of the nosecone and somthing else he called elvis trousers but i cant remember what they were for and so the deadzone is real but officially it wont be called THE DEADZONE infact i doubt it will be called anything as they wont want to draw attention to it

conni

I believe "Elvis Trousers" was Norbert's nickname.

no it was definitley a composite part on the car

conni

Noted.

[Fil]

Good image showing what i'd presume is the access flap between Mobil 1 & Boss to the fuel tank..
probably the most integrated driver side-impact protectors we've seen on an F1 car thusfar.
its like the engine cover melted & sagged over everything in the heat..

[ESPImperium]

I'm not sure if I'm stating the obvious here but have you noticed how the front splitter channels the air directly into the radiator inlets.

Maybe its by using this splitter that they have been able to decrease the size of the radiators (i know that no KERS helps too)

This immage shows you may be right on there.



You can also see the more aggressive suspension geometry as well, very like the RB5 as well in that respect.